Monday, May 4, 2009
Female Israeli soldier beats Azzun Atama woman; village isolated behind separation wall on edge
Forty-year-old Palestinian Sundus Mahmoud Ahamd sustained moderate injuries after being hit with the rifle butt of a female Israeli soldier as she tried to reach her home on the far side of the separation wall from Qalqiliya to the village of Azzun Atama on Friday.
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I saw the first 48 minutes of the Assad San Francisco debate online. But I couldn't find the Q&A.
ReplyDeleteAssad did a good job. He sumarized many terrorist attacks by what would become Israelis in the 1930s and 1940s. He summarized many other specific examples of inappropriate Israeli conduct.
The Israeli he was debating seemed to be uncomfortable discussing issues with Assad. He probably spends most of his time lobbying Intel, Microsoft, Cisco, VCs, and other companies to do business with Israelis. I suspect he could speak very effectively on these subjects. But Assad was outside his comfort zone. He seemed like he hadn't thought deeply about the subjects Assad raised.
I hope the Israeli female soldier is court marshalled. I am curious, are the Palestinian Israeli citizens who serve in the IDF better than the Jewish IDF soldiers?
ReplyDeleteI would also like to know how many of the mid grade and senior officers in the IDF are Druse and Palestinian.
I noticed here:
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That it is illegal for Palestinians to sell property to Israelis, even if the Israelis pay a high price? Why is this the case? Does this only apply to Israelis or other foreigners; For examples could Tata Consulting or Microsoft buy property in Palestine to build an outsourcing center?
Does anyone know where to get authentic keffiyehs imported from Palestine? Mail order will do, but a local (i.e. California) importer would be preferred.
ReplyDeleteBarring that, does anyone (Saif?) know how I can import a bunch of Palestinian-made kefiyyehs to sell/distribute? I want to make the keffiyeh the international attire of resistance.
Ibrahim,
ReplyDeleteStart with them.
contact@palestineonlinestore.com
Telephone: (512) 772-1948
It already is the international symbol of resistance? Anand, can you believe those zionists on Totten? Assholes to the extreme...
ReplyDeleteMany of them have never been exposed to other points of view Molly.
ReplyDeleteAnother huge problem is that many Israelis remain very angry about what happened to Arab Jews. They don't realize that the Palestinians didn't mistreat the Arab Jews; other Arabs did. It is wrong to take it out on Palestinians.
Anand, ask an Arab Jew from Israel. They will tell you that Jews of European origin don't care about them, they are just use them as political footballs. In fact, tgia posted an article on that here. In fact, they bombed Iraqi Jews to scare them into coming to Israel.
ReplyDeleteI am still battling it out with the Zionists over at Totten's: http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/04/eurasias-shatte.php
ReplyDeleteYour article on Arab Jews was very moving Molly. :)
ReplyDeleteI would like to keep seeing more articles on Arab Jews and on Palestinian Israeli citizens.
Then I recommend the book "The Other Side of Israel" by Susan Nathan. Great book on Palestinians in Israel written by a Jewish woman (not an Israeli).
ReplyDeleteIt's also a great book to give anybody who thinks Israel is democratic.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Israel-Journey-Across/dp/0385514565/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241475368&sr=8-1
I am curious, are the Palestinian Israeli citizens who serve in the IDF better than the Jewish IDF soldiers?
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Israeli Arabs do not serve in the IKF. An exception are the Druze and the Bedouins.
That it is illegal for Palestinians to sell property to Israelis, even if the Israelis pay a high price?
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You are really incredible!! Can't you see that the reason is that they end up with no land at all?
Molly
ReplyDeleteCraig is lying. He was never banned here. I actually do not remember him visiting this blog at all!
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Maybe you should ask if it is legal for Israelis cto sell their stolen properties back to the Palestinians anand....
ReplyDeleteTGIA, you are right that they are not required to serve in the IDF. However some do serve in the IDF anyway. MJT wrote about one a few months ago.
ReplyDeleteReally and why is that anand? Do you tink it might be because they have never wanted to be exposed to other points of view...?
ReplyDeleteAs Molly said most Israeli Jews who immigrated to Israel from other European countries, have not treated the Arab Jews that you claim they are angry at Arabs for mistreating...Don't you think this is hypocritical of them?
Correction:
ReplyDelete"...have not treated the Arab Jews well that you claim they are angry at Arabs for mistreating..."
He has visited TGIA. I think some of his comments didn't post because of the Haloscan problems all of us had a few months ago.
ReplyDeleteI think he thought his comments weren't appearing because he was banned; even though he wasn't.
IS this the same Craig that used to call me a retard, amongst a number of other things, over on Iraqi Mojo's blog?
ReplyDeleteHe is a real mean spirited character if you ask me...
I think the Palestinians whose property were confiscated should get compensation equal to the market value of their property; or their land back.
ReplyDeleteTGIA, I don't follow? Do you support making it illegal for all nonPalestinians to buy Palestinian land, stocks, bonds, businesses, or other assets? How can the Palestinian economy grow in that environment? Do you favor allowing foreigners to freely rent and lease Palestinian property (subject to security constraints) but not purchase Palestinian property outright?
I hope Palestinians allow foreign investment. This would greatly benefit the VC, angel investor and start up space in Palestine.
I am sorry he called you that Marion. You are well intentioned. Some of what you write is confusing however.
ReplyDeleteYou supported the elected GoI (Gov of Iraq), the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police. Yet you use to also support the Iraqi resistance that was going after the GoI and IA. You use to confuse the bejeezus out me.
An exception. Collaborators exist in every conflict.
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He is an abhorant individual. It took mojo only one sentence (saying that since Israeli terrorism was rewarded with a state why not the Palestinians) for this barbarian to accuse mojo of supporting terrorism!!
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I want a wooden 2X4 with a kefiyyeh deisgn on it so I can beat the shit out of Anand with it :)
ReplyDeleteI will send you some free food to feed the monkeys with Molly :)
ReplyDeleteOh, and Anand, I support neither the old government nor the new one - is that confusing to you little ape? lol
ReplyDeleteOn the point of the post, all of the settlements, the walls and the "roads" need to be torn down. There is your remedy, oh and the brutal woman? Let me assure you her ass will leave when the rest is gone.
ReplyDeleteanand,
ReplyDeleteYou never addressed what I asked you, what are Israeli laws regarding selling their property back to the occupied and dispossessed Palestinians ?
I visted his blog to read the comments there. Molly you were impressive. anand was anand, who seems to like t oplay the devil's advoate no matter where he participates....
ReplyDeleteMolly don't let those Zionists play with you, your truth's stick out from their obvious lack of truths and racism. While they accuse others who criticize Israel and Zionism of being anti-semites, they have shown that they are anti-Arab semites ....
anand,
ReplyDeleteI have never said I support the elected GoI (Gov of Iraq), the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi Police....I have often called them the occupied Iraqi government...I am not sure where you got that from.
And I am in support of resistance that legitimately targets occupation armies...
Are you trying to give Craig excuses anand by claiming I am confusing sometimes?
ReplyDeleteI have seen that animal leaving disgusting comments on Will Youmans blog -kabobfest- for many many yrs and then More Recently I saw him leaving messages on IMs blog.
ReplyDeleteNever saw a more dedicated and disgusting racist other than Kahein Yashit that leaves messages here.
We are talking about the same people that said Arabs did not study the brain or therapy fields because Arabs have a very backwards brain.
And also he said he bothered to meet some Arabs and IM was the only decent one,,,,,,
Then he began to verbally say offensive things to Mojo telling him that he was making "hate speech" on his blog,,,, and saying that he is a very dangerous terrorist because of Mojos views on Hezballah, Quntar and Palestinian people.
Now he does not think there are any decent Arabs,,,,
I think maybe I am so sad that I am shakking with my cries of self pitty because that piece of American trash does not like me.
:lol:
This racist filth clearly stated that Arabs have a MONOPOLY ON mass murder!
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Marion, you have repeated many times that you oppose violent attacks against the GoI and ISF (which is Nasrallah's formal position.) Are you changing your position? Nasrallah regards the GoI and the large Shia parties as God's greatest gift to man. He loves them. Marion, your positions on almost all issues is a carbon copy of Nasrallah.
ReplyDeleteRemember K asking how you can support the GoI (like Nasrallah does) but oppose all US attempts to support the same GoI? Another question is how you support the Iraqi Army and the resistance simultaneously like Nasrallah does.
This is why Craig, K, myself, Mojo, Maury, and others accuse you of not thinking through your own positions or understanding your own positions. This is why they accuse you of avoiding critical thought and analysis.
Ukhti Marion, you should think for yourself, and decide what you stand for on your own.
Craig is quite upset that Mojo (and I) support America trying to reach out to Hezbollah. Hezbollah killed at least one friend of his.
ReplyDeleteYes Tgia and he used Mojos comments on Hezballa as an excuse to call him a terrorist but he started his hostility towards Mojo because of his comments on Palestine.
ReplyDeleteMaybe that is another reason but he was also very clearly upset that mojo was supporting the idea of a Palestinian state.
ReplyDeleteBesides, the Lebanese Kataeb/Phalnge killed my best friend. I don't hate them for that reason at all but because of MANY other political positions not the least being they're documented ultranationalistic right wing fascists.
Craig is an ass!
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Abe
ReplyDeleteI've got plenty (Australian hardwood) with nice sharp rounded end.
I'd love to help you can I please please. ;)
ZID (anand)
ReplyDelete<span style="color: #404040; font-size: 11px;">I would also like to know how many of the mid grade and senior officers in the IDF are Druse and Palestinian.</span>
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The Criminal IOF consist of 99.999999999 % Palestinian and the rest are Druze and other minority Arabs, that includes Junior and senior ranks.
It was the Palestinian IOF that bombed the Palestinians in Gaza
>:o
Make sure to put poison in it, V.
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ReplyDeleteSo you were making excuses for Craig...
The only thing I claimed anand, because you asked me specifically if I am in support of the Iraqi resistance attacking the Iraqi goverment and the Iraqi military, which I am not, yet this does not mean that I support the Iraqi government...I consider the Iraqi government to be a U.S. occupied government...
I am in support of attacking the military occupiers who I see as the primary cause behind the division of the people and the sectarian conflict in Iraq.
When I look at the Palestinian situation, even though I consider the PA under Fatah to be an occupied government that is collaberating with the Israelis against the resistance, I do not support the Palestinian resistance movements attacking them, because I see this as playing into the divide and conquer strategy of the occupier Israel....
"I am in support of attacking the military occupiers..." Marion
ReplyDeleteThat is good to know Marion. It clearly positions you as an enemy of the USA. Even those in the US who strongly oppose the Iraq war do not advocate FOR attacks on US troops.
Those who support the insurgents and their activities against US troops are our enemies. We appreciate your being clear as to where you stand.
Fleming I am in support of international laws which are supposed to govern all countries in the rules of war and such...I do not belive that any country, even my own is above international laws, do you?
ReplyDeleteIt is the right of occupied people to resist their occupiers...Our war on Iraq was illegal according to international laws and our government is responsible for the deaths of our soldiers who they illegally sent into Iraq to fight a war there. AlQaeda was not in Iraq until our government decided to send our military there . If our U.S. military has been attacking and arresting Iraq civilians, which they have been, than the Iraqi civilans have every right to protect themselves ...
If it would have been up to me, I would have never sent our soldiers to Iraq and put them unjustifiably in harm's way...Our soldiers should be protecting out borders here at home, not going around the world attacking other countries and killing its people that have not been threatening us or harming us.
If a foreign army were to come and attack our country and occupy it. I would be right there resisting with the people against it...
Marion, if the US really is "YOUR" country, you are a traitor.
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The decision to go to Iraq was not yours. Likewise, the decision to lower the speed limit to 55 miles per hour was not mine. Doesnt give me the right to drive faster because "if it were up to me I would not have lowered the limit".
There is no interntaional governing body which supercededs our nation's ability to protect itself against enemies. There no no "international laws". Just because 20 countries get together and proclaim something an "international law" doesnt mean the other 160 countries have to agree with it or are required to live by it. The USA is in charge of USA foreign policy. It does not, and will never, take orders or direction from an outside person, body or entity. We will never abdicate our ability to govern ourselves and make whatever decisions we must to protect ourselves and our way of life. NEVER.
Our soldiers are doing their jobs as is their duty. REAL americans support the troops unconditionally and hope that they are utterly and completely victorious against their attackers/enemies, insurgents or otherwise, wherever and whomever they may be.
I'll say it again: If you support the insurgents against american troops, you are an enemy and a traitor. It doesnt matter the reason. You are THE enemy.
Not to mention Marion, YOU have no proof Alqueda wasnt in Iraq before the war. You also dont know what might have happened had we not gone in and taken Saddam out. Can you GUARANTEE they would not have teamed up against us? You cannot.
"...There is no interntaional governing body which supercededs our nation's ability to protect itself against enemies. There no no "international laws". Just because 20 countries get together and proclaim something an "international law" doesnt mean the other 160 countries have to agree with it or are required to live by it. The USA is in charge of USA foreign policy. It does not, and will never, take orders or direction from an outside person, body or entity. We will never abdicate our ability to govern ourselves and make whatever decisions we must to protect ourselves and our way of life. NEVER. "--Fleming
ReplyDeleteThan I hope you are willing to give that same right to never abdicate their ability to govern themselves and make whatever decisions they must to protect thmeselves and their way of life to every other country in the world and its people Fleming, including the people of Iraq and Afghanistan...
So you are a "real" American because you uncondtionallly support our U.S. troops to fight and be killed in whatever wars are government has assigned them to fight in, no matter whether they are just or unjust?
I have nothing personal against our troops, my beef is with our foreign policies which keep putting our troops in harms way. As I said I would never have put them in harms way to fight and be killed in an unjust war.
Do you realize based on Democratic principles that to be truly in support of the rights of your people, you must be in support of the same rights for all people?
I consider myself to be more of an American than you Fleming in that I use my constitutional right to object and dissent against what I see to be against the best interests of my country as an example of Democracy for the rest of the world....
That was me...
ReplyDelete"Do you realize based on Democratic principles that to be truly in support of the rights of your people, you must be in support of the same rights for all people?" Marion
ReplyDeleteWhat does this mean exactly Marion? All people even those outside the US? What you say is literally impossible. Nearly half the people in the US didnt vote for Obama. But he is still "our president" isnt he? Do all americans support every policy decision he makes? NO! But we must abide by them, regardless.
No one said you coudlnt be against the war and express your opposition. There is no problem with that at all. What is a HUGE problem is your support of those trying to kill americans overseas. Tell me, what if some folks came here and tried to influence american policy by attacking soldiers on american soil? Would you support that because they are "just defending" their rights"??? Well, I can tell you that 99.9999% of the US would consisder that support of terrorism.
Just or unjust has no bearing. You put those labels on it, I do not. There are our adversaries and our allies. Those trying to kill us are our adversaries. If you support our adversaries in their actions against american troops in any place, at any time, you are an absolute traitor to this country.
Opposition to US policies is one thing. Aiding, abetting and supporting our enemies and the killing or harming of our troops is a whole nother thing. It simply cannot and will not be tolerated.
fleming,
ReplyDeleteHow can you claim that my support of the people in Iraq to resist IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY against their milItary occupiers, means that I would be in support of foreign militaries coming over here and attacking our soldiers!!!!!!!
I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT IF FOREIGN SOLDIERS WERE TO COME OVER HERE TO ATTACK OUR COUNTRY AND OCCUPY IT, WHICH IS INCUSIVE OF OUR SOLDIERS, I WOULD BE RIGHT THERE ALONG SIDE OF MY FELLOW AMERICANS RESISTING AGAINST THIS FOREIGN ATTACK AND OCCUPATION OF OUR LANDS!!!!!!!!
AND BEING IN SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY TO RESIST THEIR MILTARY OCCUPATION IS NOT AIDING AND ABETTING THEM...
UNLIKE YOU, I DO NOT CONSIDER THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ TO BE OUR ENEMY....I CONSIDER THEM TO BE OCCUPIED PEOPLE WHO HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND RESIST THEIR OCCUPATION, JUST AS I CONSIDER MY FELLOW CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY OF OURS TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS IF THEY WERE ATTACKED AND PUT UNDER OCCUPATION BY A FOREIGN MILITARY ...
YOUR CLAIM FLEMING THAT THE U.S. IS IN CHARGE OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY IS QUESTIONABLE, WHEN WE CONSIDER U.S. MIDDLE EAST POLICY. HAVE YOU READ "THE iSRAEL LOBBY" FLEMING? MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE HIJACKING OF U.S. POLICY BY THE iSRAEL LOBBY WHICH IS MORE HARMFUL TO OUR TROOPS AND OUR COUNTRY THAN ABOUT LITTLE OLE DISSENTING ME, THAT IS IN SUPPORT OF RESISTANCE FOR ALL PEOPLE TO THEIR MILITARY OCCUPATION....
<span style="font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">In Congress We Trust...Not</span>
ReplyDeleteThe former FBI translator and whistleblower suggests blackmail may be at the heart of Congressional refusal to bring accountability and oversight to its own members - such as both Hastert and Harman - in matters of espionage and national security
Guest Editorial by Sibel Edmonds</span>
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22554.htm
The Power of Nightmares - Part I
ReplyDeleteBaby It’s Cold Outside”
In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares.
The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video103...
Spare me the crummy canard of Israeli/zionist mind control of the american people, congress, my dog, etc. Ive heard it a zillion times, and I wont buy it, even if I hear it a zillion more.
ReplyDeleteAmerican soldiers are to be supported regardless of their location. Regardless. If you dont believe me that you are out of step with 99.9999% of the american populace, go ahead, take a sign onto the street and say you cheer when a US soldier or Marine is killed, maimed or blinded by an IED. See what kind of support you get for that POV from your fellow americans.
You are obviously some sort of first generation-type without true loyalty to this country. My ancestors helped found it and we would never, ever back those trying to kill US military personnel. NO MATTER WHAT.
Your arguments are patently anti-american and frankly it astounds me how you can claim to be an american while cheering as american boys are blown to bits. It just is beyond the pale.
Marion,
ReplyDeleteSome people on this blog have apparently been fighting with Fleming for many years on different websites.
He gets banned and unbanned usually but I cant really tell you why because I only read 1% of his comments.
Nobody I think expects you to argue with him....
Assad
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Interesting. This is exactly how Sweden used to spell it. There is some spineless quality in both of these shady characters that I find quite similar. Reading their posts is like walking over scattered pieces of jellyfish on a beach.
"...go ahead, take a sign onto the street and say you cheer when a US soldier or Marine is killed, maimed or blinded by an IED. See what kind of support you get for that POV from your fellow americans. "--fleming
ReplyDeleteNow why would I do that fleming? Trying to put words into my mouth? Who said I cheer? I most certainly do not cheer, I mourn for these soldiers that have no idea what their traitor of a government has gotten them into ....
"..You are obviously some sort of first generation-type without true loyalty to this country. My ancestors helped found it and we would never, ever back those trying to kill US military personnel.."--fleming
Actually I come froma family that has been here for many generations fleming....Since you family helped found this country of ours, which side of the American Civil war were they on fleming?
Well, its seems as the lackey-boy's charade has had some real effects, and some believe now that he stands for something decent and honorable such as the Palestinian struggle for liberation. It's all a smokescreen to distract from his role as collaborator (most certainly paid) for US occupation in Iraq. Now that new people, less openly reactionary, have taken over the conduction of the State Department with the arrival of the Obama administration, the lackey-boy feels as he can throw a couple of fake punches with his left hand, while delivering the real ones with his right one.
ReplyDeleteActually Saif that will be my last comment to Fleming regarding this subject, who quite obviosly has a bad case of blind patriotism....
ReplyDeleteAnand:Craig is quite upset that Mojo (and I) support America trying to reach out to Hezbollah. Hezbollah killed at least one friend of his.
ReplyDeleteAs if the Marines had have any more business being in Beirut than Hezbollah would have being in LA!!! >:o
OMG, Marion. Whichever side of the civil war my family was on is truly NONE of your business. That said, Im proud of my family and its heritage.
ReplyDeleteAre you trying to "guilt" me into some sort of woe is me, my family is racist because it fought for the south? I mean wow, that would be pathetic. If so, you must be one of those "the white man sucks because he's racist" people.
Because no one I know is going to listen to anyone else lecture them about their family history, and how perhaps they should be ashamed of who they are and where they come from.
Bad case of blind patriotism? You mean because I support our troops in their battles that Im blind? HAHA
ReplyDeleteYou are apparently both blind and deaf. You cannot see or hear the truth that the old world cultures are slowly going away, never to be seen again. They are in therir death throes, and while they can slow the process they cannot stop it. The ancient cultures based on tribal affiliations or other outmoded concepts are gradually finding their way into the dustbins of history.
Good on you Marion! No arguments with fleming. It's a law!!! It's notoriosly fruitless and a total waste of time.
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Marion. Please do not respond!! The guy rants and disappears. As harmless as a puppy! Not worth your time or effort! Please!!
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Hey fleming, you suck whether you are white or not, because you ARE a racist
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