Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Lies answered:Palestinians never had either a state, nor any distinct culture or language of their own

"The Palestinians have lived in Palestine since they were called Caananites, their name changed so what? During greater Syria, The Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians considered themselves all as one people (The Shamis) and people identified more with their city/village/area than nation wise but that doesn't mean that the Palestinians didn't live in Palestine during this time and didnt have their own customs such as broderie styles, local foods etc."
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Zionists want to make it seem as if Palestinians came in to existence as a branch of Arabs that have no business being in Palestine when in reality Palestinians are all the people that mixed together in the holy land over the past thousands of years and became one. It is not possible for a country that have faced so many rulers to remain of only one origin (same with Syria and Lebanon).

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  1. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 8:29 PM

    <span style="">A peoples existence and history is not determined by statehood, even before modern states erupted, people still existed. I support a Palestine on 1948 borders, not 1967 borders who are only 20 percent of Palestine. Israel can not survive for ever because it was built on lies and fabrication. The "Israelis" are not one people, they are people from all over the world who share the same religion, not the same ethnic background. Anything less than 1948 borders is unfair to the Palestinians.</span>

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  2. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 8:29 PM

    <span>"A peoples existence and history is not determined by statehood, even before modern states erupted, people still existed. I support a Palestine on 1948 borders, not 1967 borders who are only 20 percent of Palestine. Israel can not survive for ever because it was built on lies and fabrication. The "Israelis" are not one people, they are people from all over the world who share the same religion, not the same ethnic background. Anything less than 1948 borders is unfair to the Palestinians."</span>

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  3. I take a few days off from this blog (had internet access problems actually) and come back to find a whole new set of hosts!?  But at least atheedieumerci is still here, definitely in my top 4 or 5 favorite contibutors to this blog!!! :)
     
    The whole question of Palestine not being a state -- well, most countries did not have borders drawn until what, the last century or so?  I think Italy just pulled a bunch of smaller states together, decided to claim the Tuscan dialect as their main language, and called it "Italy".  Anyway, a lot of people in the world probably view their countries' borders as illegitimate... e.g., the U.S.' southern border dividing occupied Mexico.
     
    And historically Palestine was the jewel of the middle east, wasn't it?  No wonder they want to steal it.
     

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  4. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 8:54 PM

    Yes Ann we had some issues, too long to go over now but here we are me with a French version of my nic(I had to, again too long to explain) But thanks for the compliment anyway. This post was a response of sortds to one settler who like to show up here and deny the existence of anything called Palestine or Palestinians. He even came with a propaganda designed sheet of many questions about alleged Palestinian state, culture, etc. I've seen this sheet thrown in our faces for years now on all the Pro Palestinian blogs and no matter how much you respond it's supposed to be "irrefutable" like all Zionist lies I guess!
    Palestine and the whole Arab world was occupied and colonised by the Ottomans for 500 years or so. Curiously enough, this as a fact is completely and conveniently ignored by the Zionist propagandists. They see the absence of a modern concept of a state in Palestine a proof that the people didn't and do not consitute a legitemate claimer to any land!!! Not to talk about the "absence" of cultural idiosincracy whether in literature, art, etc.

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  5. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 8:59 PM

    It would be great to have you here Ann more often. I do appreciate your comments when they come. Another poster I like is Dancingopossum but she too is intermittent.

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  6. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 9:00 PM

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  7. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM

    Ann
    It would be great to have you here  more often. I do appreciate your comments when they come. Another poster I like is Dancingopossum but she too is intermittent.

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  8. I'm getting familiar with Zionist mythology, as I call it.  Even this liberal one (imagine hands wringing) "we're cousins, but we've been fighting each other for 2,000 years".  Translated, we both have equal right to be here, the struggle is a somewhat equal one between sides.  (response: "oh really, I thought it started around 1880")
     
    The mythology is paper thin, so easy to dispute.  But people are so indoctrinated.
     
    I like this blog.  Thanks for your kind words.

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  9. tgia
    K'heen Inc. is trying to be smart,he's commenting on older posts
    Ex:Israel's soldiers loves taking kids for a ride
    But you don't speak Hebrew.

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  10. <span style="">"As in other places in Palestine, it is worthwhile to dwell a little on the local history of the village as it demonstrates how not only houses or fields were destroyed in the Nakba but a whole community disappeared, with all its intricate social networks and cultural achievements. Thus in Mujaydil the Israeli army obliterated a piece of history that included some fine architectural specimens and a series of significant social developments. Just twenty years before the Nakba, the proud villagers decided to transform, actually modernise, the old traditional system that placed the mukhtar at the head of the village community. Already in 1925 they had elected a local council, whose first project was to provide lighting along the village's roads. Apart from its religious buildings and modern infrastructure it had a relatively large number of schools. In addition to the two schools associated with churches, there was also a state school, the Banin School, known for the magnificent trees that provided shade for the pupils during their breaks, for the well situated in the middle of the school yard and for the fruit trees that surrounded it. The village's main source of collective wealth, which supported all these impressive constructions, was a mill, built in the eighteenth century that served the villages in the vicinity, including the people of the 'veteran Jewish settlement of Nahalal. Moshe Dayan, who came from Nahalal, mentions his father's reliance on this mill." (Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, P154)</span>

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  11. thankgodimatheistMay 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM

    Thanks VAA...
    Not kahein but from Israel. I checked his IP!.

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  12. Thanks for the post TGIA. Can peace now respond to this?

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  13. We have responded to these allegations many times now. On Asad's blog and on the Palestinian Pundit where he used to comment before he was thrown out like a soiled tampon! But he's not looking for answers he's doing this a a "passe temps" killing time when he's not killing children!
    Pre 19th century Palestine is no different to other Arab countries. Being under total subjugation they were not experiencing their greatest times ever in terms of creativity or artistic/literary production..During the 19th century thanks to the influence of Western/European cultural input a Rennaissance took place in the Middle East with a great number of Arab authors speaking out against the long lasting "siesta" the region was experiencing. Palestinian intellectuals were part of it but were exiled by the Ottomans to Turkey all  Arab nationalists. I have a document unfortunately it's a PDF and couldn't copy and paste it.

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  14. This Rennaissance is known in the Arab world as "Nahdha"(Awakening)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nahda
     
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/6938304m14602n58/
     
    http://www.arabphilosophers.com/English/philosophers/philosophers.htm

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  15. THE THEFT OF THE MILLENNIUM 
     
    The UN Partition plan of 1947 offered the native Palestinians less than half of their historic homeland,even though they were still two-thirds of the population after waves of Jewish immigration had been sanctioned by Britain,the Palestinians rejected the deal.Months later the Jewish leaders declared statehood and in the ensuing war seized 78 % of the Palestinians homeland.Nearly 2 decades later 1967,during a strike against it's Arab neighbours,Israel captured the rest of Palestine.(West Bank and Gaza),that offer however never materialised.In fact during the Oslo years the number of Jewish Settlements in the OT doubled. Instead in 2000 Ehud Barak offered the the palestinians yet another deal 80% of the OT. leaving intact the largest settlements blocks in East Jerusalem and the west Bank in violation of International Law. Finally Ariel Sharon began his security Barrier across the West Bank from late 2002,the Palestinians found themselves with only a fraction of Barak's "generous " offer .
    <span style="font-weight: bold;">THE PALESTINIANS CAN HAVE A STATE ON 42% OF THE 80% OF THE 22% OF THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND</span>

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  16. THE THEFT OF THE MILLENNIUM 


    The UN Partition plan of 1947 offered the native Palestinians less than half of their historic homeland,even though they were still two-thirds of the population after waves of Jewish immigration had been sanctioned by Britain,the Palestinians rejected the deal.Months later the Jewish leaders declared statehood and in the ensuing war seized 78 % of the Palestinians homeland.Nearly 2 decades later 1967,during a strike against it's Arab neighbours,Israel captured the rest of Palestine.(West Bank and Gaza),
    The Palestinians had to wait till 1993 Oslo Accords for another offer.It was widely assumed Israel would return to the Palestinians the 22% of their homeland (West Bank,Gaza strip).
    that offer however never materialised.In fact during the Oslo years the number of Jewish Settlements in the OT doubled. Instead in 2000 Ehud Barak offered the the palestinians yet another deal 80% of the OT. leaving intact the largest settlements blocks in East Jerusalem and the west Bank in violation of International Law. Finally Ariel Sharon began his security Barrier across the West Bank from late 2002,the Palestinians found themselves with only a fraction of Barak's "generous " offer .
    THE PALESTINIANS CAN HAVE A STATE ON 42% OF THE 80% OF THE 22% OF THEIR ORIGINAL HOMELAND
    Ref:Disappearing Palestine. 

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  17. What's 42% of 80% of 22% = 7.39 % of the original Palestinian 
    This figure would need to be updated on a daily bases.

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  18. PALESTINIAN IDENTITY BY RASHID KHALIDI
     
    http://books.google.com/books?id=pQx8u8MN13AC&dq=palestinian+identity+khalidi&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=HC4eSue4NpjCMuqh4MwF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#PPP1,M1
     
    SEE ALSO
     
    http://www.khalidilibrary.org/indexe.html

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  19. It is a "moving target" in more ways than one...

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  20. It should not be a surprise that those who demolish buildings to remove the Palestinian footprint have also attempted to destroy anything that will distinguish Palestinians.

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  21. Sorry for deviating ,but I thought this to be very funny and desperate.


    It looks like the Israelis are doing what they do best ,Deception and Lies
    this time on Youtube . Actually the US military in Iraq are doing just that (learning fast)
    video clips are posted with the opposite title to the contents.I tried few so far. Here are 2 examples.
    Israeli Criminals Torturing Palestinian Children!
    US Soldiers torture Iraq Children
     
     
     
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  22. Hi TGIA, thanks for  your kind comments! I visit here often but sometimes the topics are ones I am wholly ignorant about so I prefer to keep my yap shut. =-X I learn so much from reading all of you. And TGIA I really like it when you post your beautiful artwork.
     
    Ann I like your blog a lot, too!
     
     

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  23. This is really a great post TGIA. No wonder the deflated Lion just scurried away back into oblivion. :-D

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  24. What, are you in contact with him, Anand?

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  25. thankgodimatheistMay 28, 2009 at 5:51 PM

    Thanks Moy
    As I said the filthy settler is not looking for answers. It's his way of "contributing" by means of provocation and nastiness. when someone throws in your face a list of 20 questions doesn't sit down and expect you to answer them in few minutes! He's taken a dump. The only intellectual effort he's capable of!

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  26. thankgodimatheistMay 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM

    sometimes the topics are ones I am wholly ignorant about so I prefer to keep my yap shut.
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    May I ask what are those topics? Just curiou. I had the impression you're quite handsomely knowledgeble.

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