Wednesday, May 27, 2009
Endless Double Standards
The airwaves have been recently filled with outcries against North Korea's latest nuclear explosion. Typically, the corporate media fails to mention that zero US citizens or otherwise have been killed by the North Korean nuclear program, yet 22,000 Koreans were killed when the US obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In addition, it glosses over the quite blatant fact that US's foreign policies constitute the main source of instability the world over just as the US is the biggest purveyor of weapons in the world; US arms manufacturers are the greatest beneficiaries of arms races the world over. If any regional power is to be condemned in the Middle East for creating “instability” and an “arms race,” it is the nuclear-armed, Zionist entity of Israel. With a blank check from the US, the nuclear-armed, Zionist entity has waged genocidal wars in the region since its brutal creation.
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Moy, much of the outcry has been in Japan, South Korea, China, Russia and India. To them, the North Korean dictatorship represent a bigger threat than it does to the US.
ReplyDeleteThe North Koreans sold long range missile technology to Pakistan in return for Pakistan sharing nuclear technology with the North Koreans. Do you think the world is better off now that Pakistan has intermediate and long range missiles with which it can launch nuclear weapons?
The real fear is that the North Korean dictatorship might sell nuclear weapons technology in the future. That is the biggest cause of consternation (well maybe not in Japan and South Korea.)
So who has nukes now? The US, India, Pakistan, Russia, Israel...
ReplyDeleteIs the world better off that Pakistan went nuclear? Would the world really benefit if Iran goes nuclear?
ReplyDeleteIf North Korea does not give up its nuclear weapons, Japan, South Korea and Talwan will go nuclear. This might cascade into other countries going nuclear as well. Is this really what you want Moy? A global nuclear arms race between many scores of countries? Is this good for our species?
Israel is the only stability in the whole region.
ReplyDeleteAs to "genocide", Israel sure isn't doing a good job because the Arab populations are expanding rapidly. On the other hand, this is from the Arabs when there was no "occupation":
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."
- Arab League Secretary General Azzam Pasha, May 15, 1948, the day five Arab armies invaded the new state of Israel, one day after the nation declared its independence
"The Arab nations should sacrifice up to 10 million of their 50 million people, if necessary, to wipe out Israel ... Israel to the Arab world is like a cancer to the human body, and the only way of remedy is to uproot it, just like a cancer."
-- Saud ibn Abdul Aziz, King of Saudi Arabia, Associated Press, Jan. 9, 1954
"I announce from here, on behalf of the United Arab Republic people, that this time we will exterminate Israel."
-- President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt, speech in Alexandria, July 26, 1959
"We shall never call for nor accept peace. We shall only accept war. We have resolved to drench this land with your [Israel's] blood, to oust you as aggressor, to throw you into the sea."
-- Hafez Assad, then-Syrian Defense Minister, May 24, 1966, who later became Syria's president
"We intend to open a general assault against Israel. This will be total war. Our basic aim will be to destroy Israel."
(Egyptian President Gamel Abdel Nasser, 26 May 1967)
"The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence."
(Egyptian Radio, "Voice of the Arabs", 18 May 1967)
"I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation."
(Syrian Defense Minister Hafez al-Assad, 20 May 1967)
"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified... Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map."
(Iraqi President Abdur Rahman Aref, 31 May 1967)
Naqba to you.
Why is it so hard to ever make a simple point with you Anand? I'm obviously not in favor of any expansion of the world's nuclear arsenal. On the contrary, I want complete and total destruction of all nueclear weapons, including those in the hands of the US, Israel, India, etc. So my contention is this: how can anyone take seriously US claims for stopping expansion of the world's nuclear arsenal when it remains silent concerning Israel's arsenal, and when it has the largest stock of atomic weapons in the world, and did not hesitate much to use them in the past?
ReplyDeleteMe above.
ReplyDeleteCome up with anything more current than 42 years, Guest? And it's nakba, not naqba. Those were threats (if the quotes are accurate we don't know where they're from), but Israel carried out its ethnic cleansing in 1948. The Arabs have not.
ReplyDeleteNorth Korea warns of possible attack: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/north-korea-warns-of-attack-20090527-bn5r.html
ReplyDelete1945 US
ReplyDelete1949 USSR
1953 UK
1957 France
1964 China
1974 India
1970s Israel
South Africa got and gave up nuclear weapons
1989 Pakistan
2000s Norh Korea
Iran might go nuclear. If it does, KSA/Egypt/Turkey/Syria will likely follow. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan will probably go nuclear if North Korea does not give up its arsenal.
Guest, why are you trying to offend people?
ReplyDeleteThe Arabs did cleanse the Jews from their countries. They moved to Israel.
ReplyDeleteIt isn't Palestine's fault that other Arabs cleansed their countries of Jews. It is wrong to take it out on them.
ReplyDelete"Taking the high road": http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8070408.stm
ReplyDeleteMoy, America hasn't used nuclear weapons since 1945. This is because the US does hesitate to use nuclear weapons. So do all responsible countries.
ReplyDeleteI think all countries should faze out nuclear weapons, a view shared by Obmama, and Reagan's Defense Secretary/Secretary of State/National Security Advisor; and Bush Sr.'s Secretary of State/National Security Advisor.
However, while nuclear weapons exist, I would prefer that only responsible countries wield them (US, France, UK, Germany, Brazil, Mexico, Italy, China, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan, Turkey, etc.)
North Korea isn't a free democracy, nor is it a responsible country (their nuclear knowledge isn't secure.) Pakistan and Iran are both unstable countries {their nukes could be stolen or proliferated.}
Even though China isn't a free democracy, it is responsible and is becoming increasingly free. The Chinese communist party has some 80 million members (and growing) and is becoming more democratic. This is why China's nuclear arsenal doesn't scare me.
Is this position "double standards"?
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Anand, Israel also cleansed Jews from Arab countries.
ReplyDeleteAs well as from European countries.
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Anand,
ReplyDeleteThe truth shouldn't offend anyone.
Molly,
ReplyDeleteThere are over a million Arabs living in Israel now. Obviously Israel didn't ethnically cleanse the Arabs.
On the other hand, not one Jew was left in Judea, Samaria, or Gaza. Half of Jerusalem, which had a very large Jewish majority, was ethnically cleansed.
And now Jews are back again.
Isn't that wonderful.
Your nation is home again- in its land.
It's not my nation. And they cleansed as many as they could.
ReplyDeleteThey tried. Not to ethnically cleanse, but to commit genocide. Hard to deny, and there should be no reason to. Aren't you able to be against Israeli occupation without denying Arab countries waged genocidal war against it?
ReplyDeletebtw, in areas where they could, in the WB and east jerusalem, Jews either fled or were murdered.
Like it or not, it's your nation. You can run but you can't hide. One day you will be reminded by others. Jews who try to run always are.
ReplyDeleteAnd they didn't cleanse- although they should have. There would be far fewer problems today if they had.
Again, not one Jew was left in Judea, Samaria, or Gaza. Half of Jerusalem, which had a very large Jewish majority, was ethnically cleansed.
Nonsense. It's just double standards and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to disguise it, no matter how many layers of bullshit you dump over the issue. No other country in the world besides Israel, displays such aggressive inclinations and policies as the US. I would bet that if there is anyone ever who would use nuclear weapons against foes or enemies, would be one of them. Just consider the following: how many times have read or heard USAmericans urging the use of the atomic boms against someone? Probably many times, if you have the honesty to admit it. On the other hand, how many times have heard someone from a diffrenet country with atomic weapons pronounce such despicable words. Probably never. I have been around in quite a few countries, and the US is the only one in which I have heard such craziness demande by whomotherwise may seem like just a normal folk. US imperialism is dangerous, criminal and aggressive, and is in no moral position to be so boisterous about other nations trying to develp their own nuclear arsenal. It's either every nations disarms and dismantles its nuclear arsenal, or it's the right for all to seek such alternative. Only this is coherent.
ReplyDeleteIt's this what you call a balancing act Molly? Nobody here pretends that the Taliban is a moral force, but it's reasonable, nonetheless, to say that compared to US imperialism and its global criminal policies, they are not worse, just equally malignant, but on a smaller scale.
ReplyDeleteBesides, this kinds of information always begs the following question, which always remains unanswered: why does the Taliban enjoy so much popular support -without which it would had disappeared long time ago, given the asymmetric nature of the forces on the ground. I hope this time you will address my post instead of just ignoring it, which doesn't speak very well about the strength of your arguments.
"Guest" you don't know what truth is you little colonial genocidal prick
ReplyDeleteWhy does the US regime enjoy so much popular support in the US? V yesterday remarked that the Taliban was "taking the high road". That was what the reference was to.
ReplyDeleteBtw, I don't know that the Taliban enjoys that much support. And if they do, it is probably due to two things:desperation and fear and Pashtun nationalism.
ReplyDeleteMolly is delivering to us the "BBC special." lol Of course, this meant that the "liberators" had to come, and kill even more people, and now turn it into a massive conflagration.
ReplyDeleteMoy, you don't understand the Taliban. In the most recent national Afghan poll released in February, 2009, 91% of Afghans had a negative view of the Taliban. 91% of Afghans also had a negative view of the Taliban (because of the widespread perception among Afghans that Pakistan supports the Taliban.) The same poll showed that 87% of all Afghans supported the ANA (Afghan National Army.) {The caveat however is that the same poll showed that the Taliban and Pakistan were popular in the South.}
ReplyDeleteThe vast majority of Afghans hate the Taliban. The reason they fight so well is because they are lead and hardened by many thousands of retired Pakistani Army officers and NCOs. They are also financed by affluent Pakistanis and Gulf Sunni Arabs. The Taliban has had 200,000 troops for some time. They greatly outnumbered the small number of ANA, ANP, and non US ISAF confronting them in the South before this year.
The term "Taliban" is misleading. A majority of US troops (and ANA not fighting in the South) have not been killed by the Taliban but have been killed by "foreign fighters." We both know what that means.
You might argue that this isn't an important metric because 80% of all violence in Afghanistan is in RC-South (the battlespace of the 205th ANA Corps.) President Obama is sending US combat troops into the South in signficant numbers for the first time ever. In the south, the Taliban does have signficant popular support according the poll discussed above.
The South has never seen security. Nor until very recently did the South have ANA and ANP deployed in signficant numbers. Canada, UK, Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, France etc. did deploy in the south starting about 2 years ago; but their numbers were too few to establish any type of security for the locals.
Under these circumstances, many in the south felt that there was no ANA, ANP or ISAF to protect them. They felt that they had no choice but to suport the Taliban or die. In the coming months many ANA, ANP and US troops will deploy in the South. Let us see the affect of that.
Moy, my guess is that you know that the entire ANP (Afghan National Police) only had 3,000 trained police officers at the begining of 2008. This is for a country of over 31 million people. The reason for this, as you are no doubt aware, is that the US refused to pay for the ANP (or in a signficant way pay for the ANA) before November 2006. Rumsfeld felt the Afghans should train, equip and pay for their own police; or that other countries should help them. Other countries refused to help the Afghans (despite their promises to the contrary) and Afghanistan didn't have enough tax revenue to pay for their police and army.
This is the real reason the Taliban came. However, Obama has changed all of that. He has promised to pay for the ANA and ANP. The Taliban will be driven out of Afghanistan. I hope the Pakistanis can handle them.
Another flurry of bullshit remarks for imperialism, don't you get tired of this nonsense?
ReplyDeleteI mean, this is like the "two equal warring faction" nonsense when they talk about Palestine
ReplyDeleteMoy, you don't understand the Taliban. In the most recent national Afghan poll released in February, 2009, 91% of Afghans had a negative view of the Taliban. 91% of Afghans also had a negative view of the Taliban (because of the widespread perception among Afghans that Pakistan supports the Taliban.) The same poll showed that 87% of all Afghans supported the ANA (Afghan National Army.) {The caveat however is that the same poll showed that the Taliban and Pakistan were popular in the South.}
ReplyDeleteThe vast majority of Afghans hate the Taliban. The reason they fight so well is because they are lead and hardened by many thousands of retired Pakistani Army officers and NCOs. They are also financed by affluent Pakistanis and Gulf Sunni Arabs. The Taliban has had 200,000 troops for some time. They greatly outnumbered the small number of ANA, ANP, and non US ISAF confronting them in the South before this year.
The term "Taliban" is misleading. A majority of US troops (and ANA not fighting in the South) have not been killed by the Taliban but have been killed by "foreign fighters." We both know what that means.
You might argue that this isn't an important metric because 80% of all violence in Afghanistan is in RC-South (the battlespace of the 205th ANA Corps.) President Obama is sending US combat troops into the South in signficant numbers for the first time ever. In the south, the Taliban does have signficant popular support according the poll discussed above.
The South has never seen security. Nor until very recently did the South have ANA and ANP deployed in signficant numbers. Canada, UK, Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, France etc. did deploy in the south starting about 2 years ago; but their numbers were too few to establish any type of security for the locals.
Under these circumstances, many in the south felt that there was no ANA, ANP or ISAF to protect them. They felt that they had no choice but to suport the Taliban or die. In the coming months many ANA, ANP and US troops will deploy in the South. Let us see the affect of that.
Moy, my guess is that you know that the entire ANP (Afghan National Police) only had 3,000 trained police officers at the begining of 2008. This is for a country of over 31 million people. The reason for this, as you are no doubt aware, is that the US refused to pay for the ANP (or in a signficant way pay for the ANA) before November 2006. Rumsfeld felt the Afghans should train, equip and pay for their own police; or that other countries should help them. Other countries refused to help the Afghans (despite their promises to the contrary) and Afghanistan didn't have enough tax revenue to pay for their police and army.
This is the real reason the Taliban came. However, Obama has changed all of that. He has promised to pay for the ANA and ANP. The Taliban will be driven out of Afghanistan. I hope the Pakistanis can handle them.
why does Israel belong to all Jews?
ReplyDeleteGuest, there are some extremists among Arabs and Palestinians; but most Palestinians oppose these extremists.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you so paranoid and fearful of Palestinians?
Moy, this isn't my observation. When has America seriously considered using nuclear weapons?
ReplyDeleteEvery country has nuts who shoot their mouths off. But these nuts don't hold real power.
This is a serious question: when did Israel threaten to use nuclear weapons?
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ReplyDeleteIndeed it's the truth. Israel lives on borrowed time. all the above quotes were probably true when they were said ( I haven't checked ) , and still true today, although they're not said as publicly by corrupt Arab leaders. However it's still the believe today amongst the populace in the Arab world. Israel shall never know peace,unless the land of Palestine has been thoroughly cleansed from any sign of Zionism.
Oh, I shot muyself in the foot repeatedly....
ReplyDeleteI shot myself in the foot repeatedly...
ReplyDeleteGuest
ReplyDeletePoetry from Palestine :
A Lover From Palestine
Her eyes are Palestinian
Her name is Palestinian
Her dress and sorrow Palestinian
Her kerchief, her feet and body Palestinian
Her words and silence Palestinian
Her voice Palestinian
Her birth and her death Palestinian
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I Am There
ReplyDeleteI come from there and remember,
I was born like everyone is born, I have a mother
and a house with many windows,
I have brothers, friends and a prison.
I have a wave that sea-gulls snatched away.
I have a view of my own and an extra blade of grass.
I have a moon past the peak of words.
I have the godsent food of birds and an olive tree beyond the kent of time.
I have traversed the land before swords turned bodies into banquets.
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ReplyDeleteyes, and this means the imperialists have to come and liberate them, they are there just giving a helping hand. Over here, over there....la la la Truth, justice and the American way. blah blah blah LOL
ReplyDeleteGuest
ReplyDeleteMore painting and my cherish Palestine.
If all you say was really true, the Taliban would have been destroyed long time ago by US imperialism. No informal guerrilla force has ever been able to survive this long, without a solid base of popular support. I'm not saying that such support is widspred in the entire Afghanistan, because we all know tat there several religious and ethnic and reginal forces at play, and that several fo them are seriously against the Taliban. However, in the specific area where the Taliban is strong -and getting stronger each day, as most observers admit- I'm sure they enjoy a very solid base of popular support. So its hard to believe that everything they do is as stupid and as irrational as the corporate media pretends. It just doesn't make any sense.
ReplyDeleteall above (with my copy righted Avatar) is me
ReplyDeleteWhy does the regime in the US enjoy so much popular support? A good question, indeed. According to most of the US polling data analyzed by Chomsky -someone who's intellectual integrity no one cand doubt- that is not the case. Actually, there seems to be great discrepancy between public opinion in the US and the ruling elites. The opposite image, the one you so uncritically accept Molly, is just a mirage created by a subservient media that imposes its views on a demobilized and impotent populace.
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ReplyDeletewhy does Israel belong to all Jews?
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Remember God ? He/She gave it to them.
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ReplyDeleteFor your comment in earlier post.
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Zionism's Denial of History
In order to bolster their claim to the promised Land,the Zionist,even secular ones,sought historical justifications in the Bible.Benjhamin Beit-Hallami,a professor of psychology at Haifa University,points out:The historization of the Bible is a national enterprise in Israel, carried out by hundreds of scholars at all universities....The Israel Defence Ministry has even published a complete chronology of Biblical events, giving exact dates of the world,the killing of Abel and the exodus from Egypt.
Or,as peace activist and former Knesset member Uri Avnery observes,the Bible was soon being treated "as if it were a history book...<span style="font-style: italic;">That is the history that is the history that all of us [Israelis] learned in schools,the foundation upon which Zionism was built .</span>
From J.Cook disappearing Palestine ,Israel's experiment in human despair.
Ohh no Moy, they lop off heads and steal children everywhere, and as a side job...they throw babies out of incubators
ReplyDeleteRemember the UN? It gave it to them.
ReplyDeletesteal children everywhere,
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I thought they just ate them. Like good old Commies used to. :)
V, I never said liberators should come. PLease stop putting words in my mouth. Actually, they do lop heads off. What, you are denying that?
ReplyDeleteMoy, the Bush regime was voted in twice, for pete sakes. And Obama, who isn't much different enjoys a 65% approval rating, so I'm not sure what you are talking about.
ReplyDeleteThe Taliban is the one group fighting the Americans. That is the probably the main reason for any support they might have. And I don't know that they can't have survived without popular support. They are funded by lots of wealthy people and groups.
ReplyDeleteWhat is like claiming they are equal warring factions? Posting articles on beheadings and suicide bombings by the Taliban?
ReplyDeleteWhat? Waht did the UN give and to whom?
ReplyDeleteMolly, the reason the Taliban and their allies survive is money. The gulf arabs and many rich Pakistanis give them money. They also get a lot of revenue from drugs.
ReplyDeleteMoy, I acknowledged that they (the Taliban is the wrong word) have had popular support in large parts of Pakistan since the 1980s. That support came from fighting Russians, Jews, Indians, Shia, Iran, the West, Sufis, Buddhists and Sikhs. They were fighting the Kafirs and fake muslims.
ReplyDeleteYou have no idea how hated Jews are in that part of the world. I mean Jews, not "Israelis."
Among all Afghans 91% oppose them. 87% support the ANA. However, almost all the supporters they do have live in certain parts of Southern Afghanistan, mostly adjacent the Pakistan border. In these places they have mass popular support. These Pathan Pashtu tribes are at war with the other Pashtu tribes that support the Afghan Government.
Unfortunately the Afghans are too poor to fight them. The Taliban greatly outnumber the {ANA + ANP}
As I said, all of Afghanistan only had 3,000 trained ANP as of the begining of 2008. How could the ANP and ANA fight them with no money, no equipment and no troops.
How could 3,000 trained ANP resist the Taliban in a country of 31 million people? Rumsfeld opposed sending US ground troops to Afghanistan before November 2006, and opposed paying for or signficantly training the ANP (and to a lesser degree) the ANA.
I think the ANA and ANP did an amazing job given their nonexistent budget between 2001 and 2006. The Taliban and their allies had 200,000 soldiers.
The UN gave Israel 52% of historical Palestine in very dubious conditions(tremendous pressure from you know who on the US for a positive vote) but the greedy Zionist wants it all! Now they're in control of 92% the greedy sons of a cow!!!!
ReplyDeleteMoy, how many Americans support violent attacks against their elected leaders, police and army? Very few.
ReplyDeleteGuest, I'd rather live in Palestine.
ReplyDeleteMoy, you think it's funny that they are kidnapping kids and beheading people? Or it's all evil lies from the BBC?
ReplyDeleteYopu need to check how and why it has happened and most importantly WHO STARTED THE WHOLE FRIGGING THING?? Would that have had taken place if Israel wasn't forced on the people of the region at the ppoint of a gun? Also didn't Israel encourage those Jews to emigrate the "recovered Jewish land"?
ReplyDeleteRemember the UN? It gave it to them.
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UN Resolutions and International court of justice ?
Just google them . You'll be amazed "How Anti Semite they are !!!!"
There are pages of them. How many of them Israel rejected ?
One thing is to be ignorant ,another is to be a compulsive liar .
I thought it was 56% of Palestine? Anyway, at that time the biggest Israeli allies were the Soviets and Eastern Block that were trying to win the Israelis over. France also supported them.
ReplyDeleteThe Israelis won the 1948 war because of extensive East Block help.
In defence of radical behaviour
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After the end of the cold war, Muslim fundamentalism has been seen as a dangerous threat to the West. But can the former Soviet Union, at a time when it was a threat, be today replaced by an Islamic threat? In Western eyes Muslim fundamentalism is associated with barbarism and fanaticism. Some Western scholars and academics have even defined Islamic fundamentalism as ‘revolutionary neo-traditionalist Islamic radicalism'.
The concept of fundamentalism is not an easy one to grasp, but what should be established at the very outset is, that it has been universally acknowledged, that fundamentalists movements have been formed by social, economic and political hardships. Muslim fundamentalists who have in the past suffered from a colonial experience and are suffering today from illegal occupation, whether in Palestine, Afghanistan or Iraq, have felt a threat to their core individuality.
They believe that to reinforce their selfhood, to build defences, one has to fight back against challengers, the alternative, in their eyes, to political domination. If there is no law that is based on the principles of justice then the best solution, they believe, is to take up arms against their aggressors and fight for security in a very insecure world. Fundamentalism is not restricted to Islam only, but can be found everywhere. Christian Fundamentalism is found at the heart of American Power. Jewish Fundamentalism is found in Israel."
http://arabwashingtonian.org/english/article.php?issue=22&articleID=945
Resolution 181
ReplyDeleteThe title of this post Molly is - ENDLESS DOUBLE STANDARDS. The subject is the onslaught of Zionist and American genocidal wars.
ReplyDeleteNow, what do you want me to think as you persistently post about the supposed "horrors" of the Taliban, Pashtun's etc? Well, the only conclusion is - it must be OK to go in there and kill thousands of people to "get them fanatics" (whther you said it that way or not, it is what you imply). Actually, they are not there to (the US et al.) free anyone, to liberate a single soul. They do not give a shit about those people at all. Also, this same sick siren song has come out of this cuntry's ruling elite for over a hundred years - you would think that some people would get wise to the bullshit after a while.
The title of this post Molly is - ENDLESS DOUBLE STANDARDS. The subject is the onslaught of Zionist and American genocidal wars.
ReplyDeleteNow, what do you want me to think as you persistently post about the supposed "horrors" of the Taliban, Pashtun's etc? Well, the only conclusion is - it must be OK to go in there and kill thousands of people to "get them fanatics" (whther you said it that way or not, it is what you imply). Actually, they are not there to (the US et al.) free anyone, to liberate a single soul. They do not give a shit about those people at all. Also, this same sick siren song has come out of this country's ruling elite for over a hundred years - you would think that some people would get wise to the bullshit after a while. However, the context of your comments are quite oblivious to you, and it is really beginning, after your repeated times doing this, to strain the bonds of credulity.
No Molly, it's not all evil lies, but worse: half-truths wrapped around half-lies. They are masters at this. Or do you want to make a case in favor of BBC's "honesty" and "integrity". Please. When I see them take a brave stand against all the atrocities committed not just by the Taliban, but also those by allied forces in Afghanistan and in Pakistani border areas, I will start believing that they stand for the truth. Not before.
ReplyDeleteThe title of this post Molly is - ENDLESS DOUBLE STANDARDS. The subject is the onslaught of Zionist and American genocidal wars.
ReplyDeleteNow, what do you want me to think as you persistently post about the supposed "horrors" of the Taliban, Pashtun's etc. in this context? Well, the only conclusion is - it must be OK to go in there and kill thousands of people to "get them fanatics" (whther you said it that way or not, it is what you imply). Actually, they are not there to (the US et al.) free anyone, to liberate a single soul. They do not give a shit about those people at all. Also, this same sick siren song has come out of this country's ruling elite for over a hundred years - you would think that some people would get wise to the bullshit after a while. However, the context of your comments are quite oblivious to you, and it is really beginning, after your repeated times doing this, to strain the bonds of credulity.
Funding is never enough Molly, otherwise ask the FARC in Colombia, which has shitloads of money coming from drug trafficking, and are nonetheless loosing the war because popular support is lacking. The Taliban on the other hand is not merely surviving, but thriving, as all military experts agree upon. This reflects more than just availability of money.
ReplyDeleteNow please stop and think twice about this sentence you just wrote:"The Taliban is the one group fighting the Americans. That is probably the main reason for any support they might have. ". :) Gosh, it speaks volumes, don't you think so?
I would love to visit Palestine.
ReplyDeleteMoy, the Taliban is winning in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. 80% of all violence in Afghanistan comes from the South.
ReplyDeleteYou might argue that the Taliban and their allies have had some success in the South. The reason for this is that until recently there were very few ANP or ANA in the South. The non US ISAF troops deployed starting about 2 to 3 years ago. US troops are only going to the South this year in a serious way. {Bush felt that the allies should handle the South while the US helped in other parts of the country and with other tasks. Obama has made the decision that US troops should deploy to the South.}
The Taliban/AQ linked networks only had success in the South because there were no ANP or ANA in most of the south until recently.
Why is the international community in Afghanistan? Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries on earth. Afghanistan has almost nothing that anyone wants.
ReplyDeleteV, please try to put yourself in the shoes of others. Try to understand what motivates them.
I think you view globalization and capitalism as evil; and as a result think most people in the world are evil because they are a part of the global interdependent system.
Yes yes, they want to give them a hug, and Afghanistan has no geopolitical significance. Kiss my ass Anand, stop insulting me with your dribble
ReplyDeleteI can't believe you guys are joking about that.
ReplyDeleteMoyhabin, if you think you needed to point that out to me, I don't know what to say. You like to assume I support the war in Afghanistan whereas i have never done so.
ReplyDeletePersistently post? It was two posts that were in response to your taking the high ground remark. And no, that is NOT the only conclusion. Because some have used the Taliban as an excuse for an invasion does not mean we should ignore their atrocities. If your ideology tells you to silence yourself, perhaps you should re-examine it. Again, opposition to US imperiaiism does not be to shut up about the Taliban. I have never said, they're bad, let's go invade.
ReplyDeleteWell Molly, it is cloudy outside today...that is about as much response your going to get for what you just posted.
ReplyDeleteIn other words, you can't come up with anything. or just the same olf thing: I am aiding US imperialism by discuss Taliban atrocities on a blog. lol
ReplyDeleteMoy, I am sure you could find similar claims on other websites. It's not very hard to beleive that the Taliban beheads people or kidnaps children.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you the ignoring the atrocities, on a much bigger scale I must add, taking place as we speak in Sri Lanka, not so far away from Afghanistan and Pakistan?
ReplyDelete"Remember the UN? It gave it to them." anony
ReplyDeleteRemember colonialism that the UN served?
You "covertly" said it Molly, lets read the rest of your fetid article -
ReplyDelete"When American politicians hear statements like that they begin to get rather irritated.
Washington, they point out, has spent a very large amount of money in Pakistan since the 9/11 attacks.
Sen Bob Menendez, like many others have been asking questions.
In a recent congressional hearing he demanded to know where the military aid America had already given Pakistan had gone.
"How come the general spearheading the fight still doesn't have the equipment that he needs? We don't even know where significant amounts of this money went to. That's $12bn later."
Pakistan is a very different place compared to three months ago. People now say they have simply had enough.
Nevertheless, the army has left it late to confront its enemy, too late maybe to think that victory can be won by just targeting the top leadership.
The militants are well equipped and well trained.
This is a conflict that could go on for years."
No, you are just full of it...LOL
ReplyDeleteNo, you are just full of it Molly...LOL A real sucker for war propaganda, because this was written to build afinity for the war, which the article says "will go on for many years (along with the frustrating thankless job Washington is trying to do, funding the massacre)." So tell me Molly, what is your view of America "liberating" this region?
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