An Iranian woman who admitted to murder but then she claimed she was just an accomplice to murder was hung in Iran over the weekend. People are very upset because she committed the crime when she was a teenager. They are not disputing that she participated as an accomplice.... just they are angry because she was a young girl when she helped to kill the other person with her boyfriend for financial gains.
I dont support executions except for the case of collaborators during times of war........
I dont enjoy listening to Americans that are outraged by this execution because the U.S.A. still has the death penalty.
I did not want to post this news until I read some online forums and found that in the U.S.A. they killed some mentally delayed (retarded) people in Texas.
I wish the people that spoke about human rights in the American media would take a look at there own house before commenting on others.
I wonder if she was not a pretty Iranian young girl how many people would take so much time and attention to focus on this girl who should not have been executed but who did participate in a murder....
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For ex will a Palestinian girl that helped her boyfriend to kill a settler when she was a teenager and then helped her boyfriend to steal some money from that settler get the attention of all the media in the world if the Israelis decided to execute her?
ReplyDeleteOh sorry! The Israelis dont have the death penalty,,,, they just drop bombs on apartment buildings and give another version of capital punishment to all the people in those homes.
If she was less than 18 when she commited the crime, then capital punishment is illegal in the vast majority of countries. I don't know if this applies to her case.
ReplyDeleteSaif, would you support capital punishment for a man who raped and killed a three year old girl?
ReplyDeleteNo state executions are acceptable, anywhere
ReplyDeleteSo are there groups in Iran working to end executions of that kind,...So why don't we leave these issues to the people of the Iran to deal with, like they leave these kind of issues in the U.S. up to the people of the U.S. to deal with?
ReplyDeleteOr is it because it does not fit into our political agenda of demonizing Iran to take whatever action against it we so choose....?
ReplyDeleteMolly I am opposed to the death penalty,,, but I will not lie and say that the death penalty is the most important issue for me right now.
ReplyDeleteI am oppossed to the death penalty but there are some instances where I see the value in speaking out against it to show the injustice against the person recieving it,,,,
But if some one is getting executed for raping and killing a 3 years old girl then I wont speak abt it. I cant be bothered to defend that person.
For Delara I can give a big speech about how she did not deserve to be executed and why all executions are criminal if I thought that she particpated in that murder to steal his money and feed herself or her poor starving children. But that doesnt seem to be the case that she killed for need. She did it with her "boyfriend" because she is immoral and nobody taught her to be a decent human being.
Why does such a person deserve to be defended in the media? She was not a very young person when she committed that crime. When I was 16 or 17 I knew what was right and what was wrong,,,,,
So what can be the reason why all those human rights grps suddenly want so much attention on this girl who was a murderer that was executed?????
Do you think maybe because some western humanitarian groups will go to any lengths to help Iran look like the devil because of everything to make it easier to bomb those people later?
Dont you think those organizations can spend there money and time defending people that actually deserve it????
Vza in the time I have been here in the U.S.A. I read about some executions that took place in this country but I never saw so much news dedicated to the life of any of those people that got killed.
ReplyDeleteI cant repeat one fact about any of the people that the U.S.A. executed because the media never devoted as much time to there lives like they did for Delara and you know I feel "haram" saying these things right now because I do oppose the death penalty and she was a young girl that maybe can be rehabilitated.
But she was a murderer and not for some "cause" or some thing that she feels so much pride and concern about.
I have to say Vza and I know I will be accused of being some type of racist Arab for saying this but even though in Gazza the living conditions are terrible and it really destroys my heart that my kids wont have a normal life when we are there. But the difference is that in Gazza we feel safe from each other.
There is not a very big chance that someone will kill you to steal your wallet and not a big chance to get kidnapped and raped in Gazza.
Of course we have crime but nothing that can compare to what I see here as alot of senseless crime.
Thats why I am having some difficulties feeling to much sorrow for this girl Delara because I dont see why she deserves anyone to defend her.
I can still be against the death penalty but find that some person that will be getting that punishment doesnt deserve anyone to speak out on her behalf?
Alot of people get killed that dont deserve it, I am going to save all my speeches for those people.
Saif, most Iranians want their freedom too. Don't you think Iranians appreciate foreigners supporting them?
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think people support bombing Iran? To my knowledge only some Israel and a small number of Americans support attacking Iran.
Marion, who is demonizing Iran? Khamenei is not Iran. In any case, someone can criticize Khamenei on some issues while agreeing with him on other issues. What is wrong with that?
ReplyDeleteVza, Listen first I think you should be clear that i dont dislike you, I think I have shown you some more respect than the other people who I disagree with here on this blog.
ReplyDeleteSecond I cant lump you in the same category as any of the Zionists or even Anand because you seem more educated and rational than them. And I dont think you type just to read and reread all your words like Anand the fool.
The question is not "should the USA write about what goes on in other countries?" The real question is "what does the USA write about what is going on in other countries"?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/v/C5xTzP21MXk
"Are you suggesting our news media or we the people should not write about what goes on in other countries?"--vza
ReplyDeleteI am not suggesting this whatsover vza, but considering the present political situation, when events in Iran that appear questionable are habitually becoming headline news here in the U.S., I become suspicious as to what are the underlying intentions behind this kind of negative attention towards Iran...
Iran is much more than what our media portrays it to be...It has much more good taking place than it has bad, yet we do not hear more about the positive than the negative..
And it seems to me that the underlying intentions are to demonize Iran so that we can justify our tightening of sanctions against Iran, placing even more sanctions on it, keep our covert operations going (which often times involve violent attacks in Iran that kill inoocent people) to either undermine Iran's government or get it to react so that we could possibly attack Iran or if Israel decides to attack, we can justify our support of it....
Ganis: Iran far from what US media say
ReplyDeletePresident of the American Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Sid Ganis says Iran is very different from what the US mainstream portrays.
Ganis visited Iran along with American actresses Annette Bening and Alfre Woodard, Academy Award-winning screenwriter Frank Pierson, producer William Horberg and Phil Alden Robinson in early March.
"Our entire group was somewhat surprised to see how different
Iranian life is, the way people live it on a daily basis, from the
usual depictions we see in the media, especially the news media," said
Ganis in an interview with Foreign Policy Journal.
"Iranians are very sophisticated, educated and culturally literate people and they have access to far more western media and technology than any of us had realized." He said.
"We traveled freely around Tehran, Shiraz and Isfahan and we didn't see any signs of political demonstrations or speech directed against Americans."
Ganis also referred to the unexpected hospitality of Iranians
saying that they "were met with an incredibly warm and hospitable
welcome by the filmmakers of Iran, and the people in general."
The 69-year-old producer described his visit as a great opportunity to learn about Iranian culture and the ancient Persian civilization.
"The opportunity to go on this trip has given me an incredible opportunity to study this ancient country and its people."
"Iran has been so difficult to visit for Americans, and there are so many preconceptions about it, that it's hard to get an accurate picture without actually going there yourself."
The Hollywood delegation attended seminars and workshops on
screenwriting, directing, acting, documentary filmmaking, production,
and film marketing and distribution.
The group also visited Iran's Cinema Museum and attended a press conference at the House of Cinema during their stay in the country.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=91292§ionid=351020105
vza
ReplyDelete<span style="color: #404040; font-size: 11px;">Good grief, where have these people been?</span>
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In Iran
vza
ReplyDeleteHave you been to Iran ?
"Iran's startling rates of opium addiction and prostitution reflect popular demoralization, the implosion of an ancient culture in its encounter with the modern world."
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting that this is ALWAYS the given reason for decay. Who is Spengler? Someone who writes under a pseudonym. His name is David Goldman an ardent Zionist, and he always preys on "unadaptable" Islam. Why do I always have to expose these sources?
David Goldman's (Spenglers) real haunt -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.firstthings.com/
what "facts" vza? i will address this when I have some time
ReplyDelete"Why do we think Goldman=Spengler? And what does it matter anyway? Hey, lots of writers use pseudonyms.
ReplyDeleteThe second question is easy. This case is creepy. A theological writer who markets Zionism to Catholics ought to tell his readers he attends the Park Avenue Synagogue (where Goldman worshiped not long ago).
And any writer who calls for more killing and barbed wire for Arabs shouldn't be able to hide from those views behind fancy pseudonyms--not when he writes for a religious journal, or when he goes on the Kudlow show on CNBC, or writes for Forbes, as David Goldman has done in his capacity as financial analyst."
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/three-weeks-ago-i-did-a-post-about-the-writer-spengler-showing-how-he-used-multiple-personae-under-the-byline-shushon-he-wa.html
Or...lol
ReplyDelete"The other day a friend sent me a piece by the columnist "Spengler" of Asia Times online, saying that Israel is the happiest country in the world, while Arabs are "miserable" and their covetousness makes the idea of peace in the region impossible. These neocon horse feathers were trimmed out with theology about Islam and Judaism. I wondered who the hell Spengler is.
Then yesterday, a guy called Mark wrote to me, pointing out an even uglier statement by Spengler, on May 8, in an online forum Spengler leads:
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The hidden premise of Islam is that Israel is chosen; that is why it [Islam] had to invent a "final revelation" to replace Hebrew Scripture, substitute Ishmael for Isaac, etc. etc. The nations desire Eternal Life, of which they first heard from the Jews, and covet God's promise to the Jews, who never can "unchoose" themselves, because no-one ever will believe them. The Arabs are a dying culture and Islam is a dying religion, and the only sensible thing to do is keep death at a distance. So: more war, more barbed wire, more killing, please! [emphasis mine]"
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/05/pthe-other-day-a-friend-sent-me-a-hrefhttpwwwatimescomatimesmiddle_eastje13ak01htmla-piece-by-the-columnist-spengler-of-asia-times-onlinea-saying-that-israel-is-the-happiest-country-in-the-world.html
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"...if the facts or commentary pique my interest that is my guide." Exactly vza, it is what attracts your attention, it is the same refrain regardless of anyones political position - because you can read nonsense like this from either the "left or right" in the states, but this guy is a kook. As long as it is derogatory of Islam.
ReplyDeletehis projections were similar to another idiot, i just could not put my finger on it - these wide sweeping assertions, it was
Lyndon LaRouche who he is affiliated with. A confluence of comparisons with totally other charts (usually of an equally dubious nature). Why don't you stick to cutting out paper dolls vza.
yeah vza, i can tell you are really outraged about the "Mullahs" as opposed to me - I mean, you lose sleep over it every night. I am afraid your case is "baby is a bigot," no more no less. Your "selective rage" bullshit hobby horse is worn off at the rockers...lol
ReplyDeleteThanks for this. I'll remember who this "theologian" Goldman/Spengler is.
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