Friday, October 2, 2009

BBC admits al qaeda never existed


Not the latest news but still.
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31 comments:

  1. ananOctober 2, 2009 at 8:22 AM

    The facts about "Al Qaeda" are known. OBL joined on of the largest Mujahadeen groups in Afghanistan in the early 1980s. The head of this group was OBL's mentor. In 1988, the group split. The group that followed OBL named itself "Al Qaeda." In 1998, OBL formed the "International Islamic Front" to fight his global war. It consisted of many Kashmiri, Chechan, Indonesian, Phillipino, Egyptian, and anti Shiite groups. All declared OBL their emir and agreed to follow him. Later other groups joined in 1999. This was the core enemy that some called "AQ linked networks."

    The first large Al Qaeda massacre of civilians took place in Gilgit Kashmir in 1988. Osama Bin Laden massacred the Shiites with the support of Pakistani dictator Zia Ul Hulk. Musharraf helped Osama Bin Laden during this massacre.

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  2. ananOctober 2, 2009 at 8:26 AM

    <span>The facts about "Al Qaeda" are known. OBL joined one of the largest Mujahadeen groups in Afghanistan in the early 1980s. The head of this group was OBL's mentor. In 1988, the group split. The group that followed OBL named itself "Al Qaeda." In 1998, OBL formed the "International Islamic Front" to fight his global war. It consisted of the original Al Qaeda, as well as many Kashmiri, Chechan, Indonesian, Phillipino, Egyptian, and anti Shiite groups. All declared OBL their emir and agreed to follow him. Later other groups joined in 1999. This was the core of the enemy that some called "AQ linked networks." 
     
    The first large Al Qaeda massacre of civilians took place in Gilgit Kashmir in 1988. Osama Bin Laden massacred the Shiites with the support of Pakistani dictator Zia Ul Hulk. Musharraf helped Osama Bin Laden during this massacre.</span>

    There are many books available on this. Peter Bergen's is good. "Through our enemy's eyes" is good. The former head of RAW (B Raman) has written many articles about this as well.

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  3. vOctober 2, 2009 at 11:17 AM

    What you naturally leave out anan,  is who bankrolled this initial Mujahadeen - you you are about as informative as a sea cucumber!  There is no fucking"global" threat you fuckinh idiot,  there never was - it was manufactured for the bogus "war on terror." You are a joke you stupid little ass

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  4. Jemmy HopeOctober 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    I'm no fan of the BBC, but "BBC now admits al qaeda never existed", suggests that the Beeb was responsible for the original falsehood. "BBC exposes US disinformation" would be more accurate.
    I'm sure that there's a poll somewhere that reveals that 99% of the world's population believes that the BBC is lying about this and the US propaganda machine plus one desi idiot are telling the truth.

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  5. flemingOctober 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM

    Dont you know?  Bin Laden was not behind 9-11!  It was George Bush, the Mossad and the CIA working together.  They just wanted to boost the fortunes of their defense industry buddies and figured out a way to do so AND blame some poor arabs.  Gosh, why are we americans so easily fooled by The Global Media propoganda machine (which is in turn controlled by the zionist lobby/republican party/CIA/Mossad/far right coalition blah blah blah)

    You guys are a hoot.  It dont get no zanier than the AACS!! LOL

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  6. Iraqi MojoOctober 2, 2009 at 1:25 PM

    Interesting!  AQ does not exist as an organization.  Wahhabi terrorism, however, has been a pain in Iraqis' asses for a long time now. 

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  7. thankgodimatheistOctober 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM

    I agree.. Wahhabism is a major problem Muslims, not only Arabs, have on their hands today.

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  8. VAAOctober 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM

    Now that we're taking about lies :
    Is the BBC or CNN going to explain how they erroneously reported the collapse of WTC 7 over 20 minutes before the event and CNN did even better, reporting the collapse over an hour before it happened ??
    Or someone explain why dozens of firefighters were told in advance that the building was coming down. Some were told over four hours before the fact. Some were told quite precisely where the debris would land. Some were told the building might be deliberately brought down during the day through controlled demolition


    The Sacred Mysteries of 9/11
    http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=127 

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  9. arab observerOctober 2, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    The only terrorism is Shiite terrorism fuckhead mojo.

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  10. mollyOctober 2, 2009 at 8:04 PM

    If those firefighters were told it was coming down, how come so many died?  

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  11. thankgodimatheistOctober 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM

    <span>The only terrorism is Shiite terrorism</span>
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    So if I got you right here, when it's Shia who blow up things it's terrorism and when it's the Sunnis it's not?
    Does this not sound a bit sectarian to you?

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  12. thankgodimatheistOctober 2, 2009 at 8:53 PM

    I don't know because I haven't been really following but couldn't they have died in big numbers BEFORE the building was brought down? Just a hypothesis...

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  13. VAAOctober 2, 2009 at 8:55 PM

    I don't know molly, National interest ?
    But after "weapon of mass destruction " and now " Qaeda never existed " and many more lies floating around , I'm having a revisit to well establish Facts/Myth. 
    The writer does not specifically denies it happened ,rather points out a lot of inconsistencies and questions marks.

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  14. VAAOctober 2, 2009 at 9:13 PM

    I've always ignored the sceptics , but if you google September 11 myth , it results in 17.5 Million . And "September 11 lie" results in 29.2 Million . Not exactly scientific . By then just for fun I googled " "Elvis Presley not dead " Google results were 377 000
    "Hitler not dead " is quite popular 2.8 Million
    We need anan to make sense of these figures. 

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  15. vOctober 3, 2009 at 12:31 AM

    The only question you have to ask is this fleming,  how can the<span> collapse of WTC 7 come so soon and perfectly?  Because it takes a couple of weeks to set up the explosives for such a demolition.  The monumental mistake of the owner saying "they decided to pull it"  unmasks the whole process,  because you can't "PULL IT" in a few hours - it takes over a week to set up to pull it. 
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  16. vOctober 3, 2009 at 12:32 AM

    They were officially told to stay in the building.

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  17. vOctober 3, 2009 at 12:38 AM

    As far a AQ it all devolves back to what I originally said,  it is as bogus as a "world wide" terrorism plot,  and all it did was stoke the fires of the bogus "war on terror."  Check the archives of my site,  even the build up of prisoners in Guatanamo was done to make it seem like there was this "world wide conspiracy taking place." Talk about conspiracy theorists, the fucked up system calls conspiracies when it is to their advantage - tons of cases of the government against American citizens involve a charge of conspiracy,  but it is used as a whip to "debunk" anything that challenges the official lying line.

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  18. flemingOctober 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM

    Come on now v, dont be ridiculous.  Even I believe you are smarter than that.  If you have proof, ie., an individual who can corroborate thru actual witness or participation, then fine.  Otherise, saying "it couldnt have happened that way" when truth is often stranger than fiction, just holds no water.

    Such a plot would have to have involved a myriad of people in many different ways.  Someone would have spoken up by now, if only for the paycheck.  Its utterly and totally discounted by americans.  Its only non-americans/america haters who wish to have us take down our own institutions that propoagate such nonsense.

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  19. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 8:26 AM

    Complete fools at the CIA were manipulated by extremists at the ISI, Pakistani Army, and Saudi government. Their minds were subtly colonized for forces they didn't understand.

    Please don't get me started on the impressionable naive green boy scouts at the CIA V.

    "<span>There is no fucking"global" threat you fuckinh idiot,  there never was</span>"   V, who did the massacre of Gilgit Kashmir 1988? Who attacked Mumbai last year? Who mass murdered the Shia Hazaras and Iranians at Mazar e Sharif in 1998? Who did 9/11? Who tried to murder the entire Indian cabinet from the PM on down at the Indian parliament on 12/13/01? Who blew up the apartment buildings in Moscow in 1998? Why did China complain so much about Osama Bin Laden in the 1990s (when dumb people in the US government ignored them)? Who killed thousands of Thai civilians? Who attacked Bali, Indonesian in 2002, killing over 200 civilians? Who attacked the Phillipines? Who killed over a hundred thousand Algerian civilians in the 1990s?

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  20. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 8:30 AM

    Thanks for admitting the TGIA. Many of the world's problems are rooted in Saudi Arabia. Those crazies also caused the radicalization of South Asia's plural muslims after the House of Saud took over Saudi Arabia. They caused partition in South Asia. {40% or more of the world's muslims lived in South Asia in the 1920s.}

    They have devastated the Arab world. Arabs need to follow the Indonesian/Malaysian model and fight to keep the Saudis out.

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  21. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 8:32 AM

    <span>Thanks for admitting this TGIA. Many of the world's problems are rooted in Saudi Arabia. Those crazies also caused the radicalization of South Asia's plural muslims after the House of Saud took over Saudi Arabia. They caused partition in South Asia. {40% or more of the world's muslims lived in South Asia in the 1920s.} 
     
    They have devastated the Arab world. Arabs need to follow the Indonesian/Malaysian model and fight to keep the Saudis out.</span>

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  22. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM

    TGIA, many extremist Sunnis in Arabia and Pakistan think this way. These bigots need to be taken head on.

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  23. mollyOctober 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM

    Most of the prisoners in Guantanamo were actually arrested by the Northern Alliance.  

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  24. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 11:22 AM

    Correct Molly. Almost all of them thanked their lucky stars that they were transfered to US custody from the Northern Alliance. {The Northern Alliance is rumored to have killed a lot of their non Afghan prisoners, of which they had many. }

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  25. vOctober 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM

    You still not have explained the simple and truthful facts I just posted above.  There is NO WAY you can set up yo pull a building in that short period of time to "PULL IT."  So.  instead of just denying it (which you are famous for,  with no attended facts or explanations),  expain it.  You can't,  no one can,  unless there is an added extra dimension,  period.

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  26. vOctober 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM

    Plus,  most of them were innocent of any "world wide terrorist plot."  They were collected for the purpose of apperance,  to make it look bigger than it was,  so they could forge forward on their so-called "war onterrorism," which was nothing but robbery of both the natural and human resources of th region.  Period.

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  27. vOctober 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM

    <span>Plus,  most of them were innocent of any "world wide terrorist plot."  They were collected for the purpose of apperance,  to make it look bigger than it was (along with hundreds of other black sites),  so they could forge forward on their so-called "war on terrorism," which was nothing but robbery of both the natural and human resources of the region,  and strategic power positioning.  Period.</span>

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  28. ananOctober 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    V, what were they doing in global terorrist camps in Afghanistan to begin with? Many were training for operations in Chechnya, against Russia, against China in the Uighars, to attack India, to attack Shiites in Pakistan and Afghanistan, to attack Thailand, and to attack other countries. Doesn't that mean that they were trouble makers that needed to be dealt with?

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  29. flemingOctober 3, 2009 at 4:23 PM

    Sorry V, but I am not a structural engineer, nor a demoltion expert.  Therefore I will never be able to "explain" the collapse of ANY buildings, much less WTC 7. 

    So V, explain to me all the people involved in this massive conspiracy and what exactly they expected to gain at what risk to themselves?  I mean, it makes no sense whatsoever.  Its utter gobbleygook and even you know it, I suspect.  But as it serves your purposes to perpetuate the doubt, you persist. 

    Look man, no one buys your theory except for far out fringe groups (in the US).... and most of non-Israel Middle East, of course. LOL

    You have never been shy that is where you want to reside, among the nuts and america haters.  So be my guest. 

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  30. vOctober 5, 2009 at 1:01 AM

    Sorry anan,  once again you try to connect what is not connected,  None of these were merely AQ,  period.  They we're groups having no other means to resist in different regions. Did the USA attack the Chinese "terrorists,"  or the Russian "terrorists,"  or the Indian "terrorists?"  No,  they all had their regional issues - they were NOT one big AQ group.  The only thing these groups had in common was immense oppression from "democracies,"  the powerful attacking and dispossessing the weak,  that's it anan.

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  31. bushtheliberatorOctober 6, 2009 at 9:19 PM

              Obama's Af=Pak War is going to be the best ever: More troops,more drones,and hardly a war protester in sight.
    Don't you just FEEL the Hopeyness ?Let's Roll,Obama !

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