Monday, October 26, 2009

Juan Cole

The Republican's avaricious and illegal war on Iraq destabilized the eastern Mediterranean, perhaps for decades, creating long-term challenges to US and global security of which the Baghdad blasts are very possibly only minor omens.
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  1. ananOctober 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM

    Many problems with this statement:
    1) This was a <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Democrat</span> and Republican war
    2) The Iraq war wasn't "avaricious." It was about President Bush getting revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his Dad. The Iraq war wasn't about business, it was strictly personal. Maybe I am stupid, but why do some think that the Iraq war was "avaricious"?
    3) Saddam, one of the most evil Homosapiens ever born, was the one who destabilized the middle east for a generation. It was Saddam's oppression that caused Khomeinei to step up support for the Iraqi resistance in 1979. This directly lead to the Iran/Iraq and Iran/Sunni Arab proxy wars that have lasted for more than 30 years. Among other things, these wars have devastated VAA's and TGIA's Lebanon. They have also hurt the Palestinian cause and much else.
    4) The Takfiri extremists have tried to destabilize the world for reasons that have little to do with America. Why are some Americans so arrogant to believe that whatever happens in the world is because of what America does? What presumption! The world has many great powers and medium powers; and they shape the world much more than "America" does. Some of my fellow Americans really should calm down and try <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"listening"</span> to nonAmericans once in a while. Understand that nonAmericans have power, influence, affluence, and agency too.

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  2. ananOctober 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    <span>Many problems with this statement:  
    1) This was a <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Democrat</span> and Republican war  
    2) The Iraq war wasn't "avaricious." It was about President Bush getting revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his Dad. The Iraq war wasn't about business, it was strictly personal. Maybe I am stupid, but why do some think that the Iraq war was "avaricious"?  
    3) Saddam, one of the most evil Homosapiens ever born, was the one who destabilized the middle east for a generation. It was Saddam's oppression that caused Khomeinei to step up support for the Iraqi resistance in 1979. This directly lead to the Iran/Iraq and Iran/Sunni Arab proxy wars that have lasted for more than 30 years. Among other things, these wars have devastated VAA's and TGIA's Lebanon. They have also hurt the Palestinian cause and much else.  
    4) The Takfiri extremists have tried to destabilize the world for reasons that have little to do with America. Why are some Americans so arrogant to believe that whatever happens in the world is because of what America does? What presumption! The world has many great powers and medium powers; and they shape the world much more than what "America" does. Some of my fellow Americans really should calm down and try <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"listening"</span> to nonAmericans once in a while. Understand that nonAmericans have power, influence, affluence, and agency too.</span>

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  3. flemingOctober 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM

    "It was about President Bush getting revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his Dad."

    This is soooo ridiculous.  Unless you have direct proof?

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  4. thankgodimatheistOctober 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM

    <span> It was about President Bush getting revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his Dad. The Iraq war wasn't about business, it was strictly personal.</span>
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    Not again anan please..I mean, C'MON!

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  5. ananOctober 26, 2009 at 6:42 PM

    What other explanation is there. Read the books by top Bush administration officials. Bush had personal animosity against Saddam, and Saddam had personal animosity towards Bush. It really is as simple as that, from Pres Bush Junior's point of view.

    What American national interest was served?

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  6. thankgodimatheistOctober 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM

    And the Takfiris are up in arms against the West because of the mini-skirt..I got it.

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  7. thankgodimatheistOctober 26, 2009 at 7:50 PM

    <span>It's like saying the Takfiris are up in arms against the West because of the mini-skirt..</span>

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  8. flemingOctober 26, 2009 at 10:28 PM

    Hey anan, you dummy, you do realize Bush had to get sign off from congress for Iraq?  You think B ush is going to sacrifice thousands of american lives because Saddamn TRIED to kill Bush Sr? Again, you have no proof, nothing other than pure presumption based on personal beliefs.  Please stop trying to inject your neurosees as drivers of american foreign policy.  It makes you look extremely foolish.

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  9. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM

    That is a big part of it TGIA. They are up in arms against negative modern values that they fear are seducing and corrupting their young people.

    You should see a clip from a NY Times journalist who was in Taliban custody for 7 months (he was picked up in Logar near Kabul.) He mentioned that a big reason the Taliban he was with fought was to resist decadence and immorality. One theme of the Taliban he was with was that all the sensual pleasures of this world were tiny compared to the joy of the trancendent (or heaven.) He mentioned that the Taliban hated moderate muslims much more than westeners. He also mentioned that the Taliban he was with wanted to form a global muslim empire. They were far more radical than this journalist thought they would be before being taken prisoner.

    The Journalist, his Afghan co journalist and driver, were taken to Pakistan within a week of their kidnapping (during their pre planned interview with a local Taliban commander.) Much of Pakistan is openly ruled by the Taliban.

    TGIA, from the perspective of the suicide bombers, the Takiri extremists, this war is about establishing righeousness around the world, where God's will is interpreted and enforced by them. Some extremists believed that God's will should only be imposed on the Islamic world (one global caliphate.) Others want to expand this Caliphate to nonmuslims too.

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  10. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

    Let me clarify, this is the reason President Bush went to war. Others supported the Iraq war for very different reasons.

    What national US interest was served by fighting Saddam?

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  11. flemingOctober 27, 2009 at 5:33 AM

    You are inferring what Bush did - yet you have never asked him, you have never spoken with him, you are just GUESSING. 

    Saddam, as you may recall, was suspected of having WMDs.  Those, if provided to stateless actors such as AQ, could have been very deadly for the US.  When he refused to cooperate, his goose was cooked.  Bush is not so childish as to spend so much treasure and lives for nothing - Saddam FAILED to kill his, after all.

    This isnt Pakistan, anan.  We dont allow personal or tribal vendettas to drive foreign or national policy. 

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  12. Jemmy HopeOctober 27, 2009 at 8:22 AM

    "Maybe I am stupid ..."
    At last, the seed of self-awareness.
    "Read the books by top Bush administration officials ..."
    Proof positive of stupidity.

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  13. DancingOpossumOctober 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM

    Rotten as the Repbulicans are, the Democrats do not get a free pass on this one. Members of both parties rushed to sign up for war, war, endless war. And it's oh-so-progressive Obama who is continuing (indeed, expanding) the war in Iraq and the wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and who knows who's next, can you say EYE-RAN? I knew you could.

    People who were bamboozled by Hopey-Changey: I *hope* you are happy that nothing has *changed* except for the worse.

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  14. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 4:26 PM

    Thank Allah that President Obama has not abondened the Pakistani and Afghan people to the Taliban (which has become a blanket phrase that includes almost all Takfiri extremist groups.) Go Obama! Go the Messiah!

    Dancing, understand that the majority of good decent muslims have been fighting a war with the Takfiri extremists for a long time. Millions of good muslims have died in this struggle. Even if you succeed in convincing America to abondon and betray the good muslims (something that America specializes in by the way), will not surrender and will not give up.

    This war will not end without until the muslim majority defeat the Takfiri extremists, regardless of what America, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand (the West) does or does not do.

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  15. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    <span>Thank Allah that President Obama has not abondened the Pakistani and Afghan people to the Taliban (which has become a blanket phrase that includes almost all Takfiri extremist groups.) Go Obama! Go the Messiah! 
     
    Dancing, understand that the majority of good decent muslims have been fighting a war with the Takfiri extremists for a long time. Millions of good muslims have died in this struggle. Even if you succeed in convincing America to abondon and betray the good muslims (something that America specializes in by the way), they will not surrender and will not give up.
     
    This war will not end without until the muslim majority defeat the Takfiri extremists, regardless of what America, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand (the West) does or does not do.</span>

    Dancing Opossam, I take it you are a westerner. If you want to hide in the skirts of the muslim majority; free ride and let other people fight to protect you and your family from those who would forcibly convert or murder you; then cower and hide. The hundreds of millions of muslims around the world resisting the extremists will not hide.

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  16. flemingOctober 27, 2009 at 6:04 PM

    Oh dear Anan.  Should I be quivering under my bedsheets at night, fearful that muslim extremists could enter any minute - to either convert or kill me??? LOL

    Are you quite serious with your nonsense.  The western world and/or USA has absolutely NO fear of being defeated, militarily, on our home soil, by muslims, extremist or otherwise.  Its just not even in the realm of remote possibility. 

    Hiding in the skirts of muslims?  HAHAHAH  We could leave both countries tomorrow and a single enemy muslim soldier would still never step foot on american soil. 

    The fear is pakistan will fall and give up its nuclear arsenal.  If the extremists were acquire those WMDs, and attakcs us, well, of course then we would be forced to retaliate in kind, many times over.  Hundreds and hundreds of millions of muslims would die in a flash.

    You should PRAY that doesnt happen.

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  17. flemingOctober 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    Oh dear Anan.  Should I be quivering under my bedsheets at night, fearful that muslim extremists could enter any minute - to either convert or kill me??? LOL

    Are you quite serious with your nonsense.  The western world and/or USA has absolutely NO fear of being defeated, militarily, on our home soil, by muslims, extremist or otherwise.  Its just not even in the realm of remote possibility. 

    Hiding in the skirts of muslims?  HAHAHAH  We could leave both countries tomorrow and a single enemy muslim soldier would still never step foot on american soil. 

    The fear is pakistan will fall and give up its nuclear arsenal.  If the extremists were acquire those WMDs, and attakcs us, well, of course then we would be forced to retaliate in kind, many times over.  Hundreds and hundreds of millions of muslims would die in a flash.

    You should PRAY that doesnt happen.

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  18. flemingOctober 27, 2009 at 6:05 PM

    Oh dear Anan.  Should I be quivering under my bedsheets at night, fearful that muslim extremists could enter any minute - to either convert or kill me??? LOL

    Are you quite serious with your nonsense.  The western world and/or USA has absolutely NO fear of being defeated, militarily, on our home soil, by muslims, extremist or otherwise.  Its just not even in the realm of remote possibility. 

    Hiding in the skirts of muslims?  HAHAHAH  We could leave both countries tomorrow and a single enemy muslim soldier would still never step foot on american soil. 

    The fear is pakistan will fall and give up its nuclear arsenal.  If the extremists were acquire those WMDs, and attakcs us, well, of course then we would be forced to retaliate in kind, many times over.  Hundreds and hundreds of millions of muslims would die in a flash.

    You should PRAY that doesnt happen.

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  19. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 6:32 PM

    Flemming, who gives a damn about rettaliation if we get nuked? Are you serious?

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  20. flemningOctober 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM

    Retaliation is a strong deterrent for one Anan.  Do you think our enemies will be so eager if they know we will evaporate mecca and all other "holy sites" should they strike first? 

    Second, their capabilities are meager compared to ours.  Chances are they would not be able to launch more than one or two, at most, before we responded in devastating fashion. 

    Dude, the sad thing is your people have had thousands of years to get their shit together and they havent done it.  I really dont see how its the "white man's burden" now . 

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  21. thankgodimatheistOctober 27, 2009 at 7:24 PM

    <span>Dude, the sad thing is your people have had thousands of years to get their shit together and they havent done it.  I really dont see how its the "white man's burden" now . </span>
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    Ha ha ..
    Have you ever heard of colonialism dumbass? And to take just one example,  was it the Aborigines' fault ( couldn't get their shit together) that the British colonials  annihilated them as people and as a culture.
    Why don't you go  back to school, you're a mark of shame for the whole American educational system..

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  22. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 8:14 PM

    TGIA, who in heaven's name does he mean by <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"your people."</span>
    Doesn't Flemming get that Pakistanis are Aryan people; that the Rig Veda Samhita Sanscrit is the closest thing we have to the proto language of the Aryans (that Latin, Romance languages, Eastern European languages and Greek derive from)?

    Does he understand that much of ancient Greek culture and the Greek demigod panthion derives from the Veda Samhitas?

    The Pakistanis are his people too. "Stupid is what stupid does Ms. Blue."

    The Takfiri want to die. They believe that all the sensual pleasures of this world is infitismal compared to the bliss of the transcendent. They would welcome getting nuked.

    See this interviewby David Rohde on Charlie Rose and below:
    http://video.nytimes.com/video/2009/10/26/world/1247465378008/held-by-the-taliban-nbc-.html?scp=1&sq=David%20Rohde&st=cse
    David was kidnapped by the Haqqanis for 7 months. They took him near Kabul and brought him to Pakistan, until he escaped.

    Flemming, if you have any interest in actual facts, read this blog:
    http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2009/10/where-rural-too-urban.html#comments
    Several members of the Obama administration actually read this. Why don't you leave your comments there; where it might actually be read by real policy makers.

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  23. ananOctober 27, 2009 at 8:17 PM

    TGIA, I wonder who Flemming would Nuke. Pakistanis hate the Taliban and Al Qaeda much more than Americans do. The Pakistani Army and police has lost more people fighting the Taliban in recent years than the total number of GIs who have died since 9/11 in every country.

    TGIA, do you think Flemming would nuke Al Qaeda's worst enemies? In what universe is that logical.

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  24. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 1:08 AM

    TGIA, who in heaven's name does he mean by <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"your people."</span> 
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    Brownies, anan.."Not white" god forbid!

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  25. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 1:11 AM

    <span>TGIA, who in heaven's name does he mean by <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"your people."</span>  </span>
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    To fleming you're not an American, anan. Not a real one..You're just a brownie. Like us.

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  26. flemingOctober 28, 2009 at 3:49 AM

    Illegal drugs are a real problem in the US.  Biillions are imported each year from Pakistan, Aghan, etc. Tell me Anan, when are Pakistanis going to help in the US drug war?  When are drug fighting pakistani police going to show up in the US?

    To suggest that not enough US GIs have died fighting a war thousands of miles away is infuriating.  Goddamit Anan, its absurd!  It is not OUR responsibility.  AQ and the Taliban do not threaten US proper, other than thru WMD acquisition if Pakistan fails. 

    If nukes from muslim extremists go off in the US, payback will be swift, far reaching and devastating.  Book it.

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  27. flemingOctober 28, 2009 at 3:52 AM

    Nope, sorry, I dont get that Pakistanis are aryan people.  Neither does anyone else in the US.  Cause we are all stupid while people like Tgia are brilliant.  Oh, to be as wise as the great tgia....

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  28. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 4:49 AM

    But anan is  American not Pakistani you piece of racist supremacist shit!

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  29. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 4:51 AM

    <span>But you were talking to anan not to the Pakistanis . Anan is American not Pakistani you piece of racist supremacist shit!</span>

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  30. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 4:55 AM

    <span><span>you piece of racist supremacist shit!</span></span>
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    <span></span>Correction
    You piece of racist supremacist ARAYAN shit...
    Fits better..

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  31. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 4:56 AM

    <span><span><span>you piece of racist supremacist shit!</span></span> 
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    Correction 
    You piece of racist supremacist ARYAN shit... 
    Fits better..</span>

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  32. flemingOctober 28, 2009 at 5:43 AM

    Tgia puffing his righteous chest out again,.  He stands proudly on his record as a preeening intellectual, uber liberal, artsy fartsy, pro-commie, pedantic sissy while hiding out among his fellow adacamicians.  They revel in their hubris even as they steadfastly maintain zero self awareness as their personal repugnancy reaches new highs.

    God, what a disgusting individual. And see, I insulted you with personal truths.  Meanwhile you must rely on nasty words and the same old lame charges of the ultimate boogeyman, racism, which is rapidly losing its status due to gross overuse. 

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