Wednesday, July 29, 2009
Censored or Vandalized? Nude Angel Covered Up at French Cathedral
Three fervent Catholics were arrested early Sunday morning for defacing works of art displayed on the Cathedral of Montauban in southwestern France. Footage from surveillance cameras shows a man and two women armed with a brush, glue, and newspaper covering over a large-scale drawing of a nude female angel (pictured right) by contemporary artist Ernest Pignon-Ernest.
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Devout Loons. But at least they did not kill anybody, riot, or threaten to behead the artist.
ReplyDeleteIngres' masterpiece inside the cathedral:
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/i/ingres/11ingres.html
Two completely and utterly different contexts.. How do you compare one with the other?
ReplyDeleteVery easily. Fanatic adherents of a religion are offended by an artist's work.....reactions ensue. What's not to compare? Or is it that the nuts of one religion may not be criticised or ridiculed?
ReplyDeleteNot really vza, the fact of the matter is that this is barely covered (no pun intended) in any news outlet - yet, the other (which you mentioned) was splashed and still is all over the world corporate press. You just can't help yourself, and must be the reminder shill or the "balance" girl whenever you get the chance.
ReplyDeleteOf course, there are many many differences between what you are posting - these drawings are whatever where meant to inflame out of malice; they are not works of art in the classical sense; the pictures you are talking about are set in making a population look like idiots so they can further be demonized in a so-called war on terror; there was not ridicule of catholicism as a whole in this piece, but there was plenty of it and there still is of the Muslim faith for other than purposes of disagreemnt; the differences are almost legion - but a prejudiced and bigoted mind like yours cannot grasp the contrast.
<p style=""><span style="">Oh I grasp the contrast all right. I grasp that Christian or Jewish fundamentalists can be scorned and ridiculed but Islamist fundamentalists cannot. </span>
ReplyDeleteYou can call me prejudiced and bigoted until the cows come home...the usual cowardly tool of an apologist for the fanatics, I will not be inimidated by you into silence.
ReplyDeleteYou can call me prejudiced and bigoted until the cows come home...the usual cowardly tool of an apologist for the fanatics, I will not be intimidated by you into silence.
ReplyDeleteThere is an art exhbit at the Glasgow Gallery of Modern Art that includes a bizarre video of an "artiste" tearing pages of the bible and stuffing them in her bra, knickers, and mouth. The public is also invited to write in a bible on display expressing any feelings they have of being marginalized by the faith. Quite a few loons took the opportunity to deface the bible and write things that would be offensive to many Christians. This story has been all over the news. A peaceful protest outside the gallery. A statement from the Vatican. End of story. No fatwas from Pope Benedict against the artists, no riots, no deaths, no destruction of property. Would the gallery had allowed a similar exhibit with the Quran relpacing the bible? Hell no! Why? Afraid of death and destruction. An artist in London, noted for offending just about everyone and everything candidly admits he would not do the same to any aspects of Islam for fear of getting his throat slit.
ReplyDeleteWhile in Glasgow, I'll be headed for New Lanark.
ReplyDeleteObama's economic recovery! Green shoots in....
ReplyDelete...
El Salvador...
"La estrategia de promoción de inversiones le apostó al empuje de sectores productivos, como: los centros de llamada (call center) y Business Process Outsourcing (BPO's, por sus siglas en inglés), las empresas de textiles, calzado, electrónica, manufactura liviana. Además firmas de aeronáutica, agroindustria, turismo, dispositivos médicos e infraestructura, entre otros", publica Elsalvador.com
The town is worth a visit.
ReplyDeleteROBERT OWEN
AND THE OWEN/MACLURE EXPERIMENT
http://www.usi.edu/hnh/owenexperiment.asp
More info:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.usi.edu/hnh/postcommunal.asp
"Second, all religions are based on the same absurd imagination, that make man a weak, imbecile animal; a furious bigot and fanatic; or a miserable hypocrite; (in dotage, he embraced"Spiritualism).<sup></sup><span>[</span>1<span>]</span>
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Owen
While in Glasgow, I'll be headed for:
ReplyDeleteHouse for an Art Lover
Designed by Charles Rennie Mackintosh
http://www.houseforanartlover.co.uk/
:)
The only reply that you will get from me on that score is that you are full of shit, why don't you go take a long tour at Green Footballs...lol You will be right at home
ReplyDeleteGood for El Salvador.
ReplyDeleteMara, there has been a big upturn in Tech in Q2 versus Q1.
See semiconductors (equipment revenue up close to 100%), electronic device volumes, search revenues, CRM, SCM, Enterprise Software, design software.
TSM and UMC both announced that they are increasing their 2009 CAPEX forecast by about 50%. CHRT already announced something similar. Intel announced a large increase in CAPEX.
ReplyDeleteThis is very good for the world.
Actually you do nnot know the difference between defending the oppressed and being an "apologist for fanatics." That is your interpretation of standing up for the weak, because you are nothing but a shill for this empire. You do not care how many millions are killed, and you have proved it over and over again by your callous statements and your neanderthal group mentality. My recommendation is that you get you head out of your ass and see who has been attacking whom over the last couple of hundred years (and do not give me any of your ancient god damn history lessons). It is blind and supporting bumpkins like you that ensure that brutes will continue to murder people.
ReplyDeleteThe only reply? Would that were true!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe only reply? Would that were true!!!!!!
ReplyDelete:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
This man says it all for me:
ReplyDeleteTo suggest that any criticism of <acronym title="islamism: A political doctrine that promotes the supremacy of Islam over all other religions and systems of governance and is based on Sharia Law">Islamism</acronym>, the political ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian Ayatollahs, is anti-Islamic is a bogus and fraudulent position. I would contend that my religion Islam demands that I stand up to these bullies and take away from their right to put padlocks on poetry and chastity belts on independent thinking.
People who were not insulted or offended when the Saudis demolished the Prophet Muhammad’s 1400-year-old House in Mecca, but who ran wild at the sight of Danish cartoons, can at best be described as men who have got their priorities wrong, and at worst as hypocrites."
http://www.iheu.org/node/3277
Let's descend - kiss my ass vza :)
ReplyDeleteOh yes, let's talk about "supremacy" vza, you are a nut
ReplyDeleteI won't be staying far from there!
ReplyDeleteI hope General Motors makes it over the hump. But my question remains...
ReplyDeleteWhere will they increase payroll? Mexico or the US?
I was in Glascow a few years ago -- on the way to play golf. We hit Turnvberry, St Andrews, Carnoustie among others. Great trip, awesome people. Those folks know roundabouts!! LOL
ReplyDeleteDidnt stop by the museum but vza makes a great point.
I hope General Motors dies the death it so well deserves. What a horrible company.
Not Michigan, unless they were crazy. Either the Southern US pro business states or Mexico or China (India is too expensive.)
ReplyDeletePersonally, I would invest in Mexico versus the increasingly socialist US. This said, the auto industry is less important than the growing tech industry, for example. I wouldn't be too pre occupied with the auto sector.
Off topic, China bought more cars last month than America did; How the world has changed. China buys 30% of the world's copper, while America buys 10%. Rising Chinese and Indian demand drove copper prices up by close to 100%, even with the recent drop in copper prices.
Oh my God! Fleming makes a good point! ;)
ReplyDelete"Actually you do nnot know the difference between defending the oppressed and being an "apologist for fanatics." That is your interpretation of standing up for the weak.."
ReplyDeleteIf you are so concerned about the oppressed and the weak then why is it you NEVER, EVER stick up for the minorities in Muslim lands who are being persecuted by these fanatics.... you either dismiss it as exaggeration or deny that it is even happening...in fact you even defend the Islamists and hope they will be triumphant against your own country. Do you even know what is going on in Bangladesh, for example? Ethnic cleansing only seems to bother you when it can be blamed on Israel or the U.S. So much for the weak and oppressed. I cannot think how much more weak or oppressed the Christians and Hindus of Pakistan and Bangladesh have to be before they are worthy of your concern.
Wow, you just never know! I won't be going until my Christmas break but I am definitely going to try to get to New Lanark. It sounds so interesting. I am really glad you posted that!
ReplyDeleteI was in Glascow a few years ago -- on the way to play golf. We hit Turnvberry, St Andrews, Carnoustie among others. Great trip, awesome people. Those folks know roundabouts!! LOL
ReplyDeleteYou golfed at St. Andrews? Was it a very difficult course? My neighbor's dad is from Glasgow and he goes back each year for some important golf tournaments.
Beautiful Scotland.
Robert Owen's son was instrumental in establishing the Smithsonian Institution! He was a U.S. Congressman.
ReplyDeleteWe can say what we will about religion, but must acknowledge that the power of faith inspired some of the most magnificent art and architecture the world has known.
ReplyDeleteWe can say what we will about religion, but must acknowledge that the power of faith inspired some of the most magnificent art and architecture the world has known.
ReplyDeleteOh, you mean that mythical lying sack of shit "institution"...lol
ReplyDeletees. We played both the "Old" and the "New" course. "Links" courses are different than american style courses. Not as pretty, and shorter, but quite challenging. The sand bunkers are sometimes so deep there are stairs to get in and out of them. Lots of wind, and narly scrub bushes to contend with if you get off the fairway.
ReplyDeleteIts hard to get on at St Andrews but not impossible. Its a public course. It requires patience, a luck of the draw or perhaps a very early start. Whichever, it can be done,
Excellent and on the mark reply v and you didn't even use cuss words...
ReplyDeleteHow do you know that Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian Mullahs weren't insulted or offended by the Saudi's demolishing the Prophet Muhammed's (pbuh) house, yet were the ones rioting over the meant to offend Muslims Danish cartoons vza?
ReplyDeleteI think that you do not know what you are talking about ...
Art and poetry in Iran
ReplyDeletehttp://www.iranchamber.com/literature/literature.php
What is your point, marion? Your wonderful site is UK based. Do you think I am unaware of the great Persian and contemporary Iranian contributions to the Arts?
ReplyDeleteWhat does this have to do with the fanatics who would stifle all that creativity? Did you approve of Khomeini inviting his followers (That includes you!) to KILL an author? Do you approve of the mullahs erecting a shrine in a Tehren cemetary to one Mustafa Mahmoud Mazeh? Do you know why they erected the shrine? Maybe he discovered a cure for a disease or invented something that would improve the lives of the Umma? No! He set off a bomb in a London hotel in an attempt to kill Salman Rushdie. And the mullahs thought him a martyr and erected a shrine?????????
I would be embarrassed to have leaders like that as representative of any religion I belonged to.
Well then, we must have something in common. Ask the author of the piece.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your point, marion? Your wonderful site is UK based. Do you think I am unaware of the great Persian and contemporary Iranian contributions to the Arts?
ReplyDeleteWhat does this have to do with the fanatics who would stifle all that creativity? Did you approve of Khomeini inviting his followers to KILL an author? Do you approve of the mullahs erecting a shrine in a Tehren cemetary to one Mustafa Mahmoud Mazeh? Do you know why they erected the shrine? Maybe he discovered a cure for a disease or invented something that would improve the lives of the Umma? No! He set off a bomb in a London hotel in an attempt to kill Salman Rushdie. And the mullahs thought him a martyr and erected a shrine?????????
I would be embarrassed to have leaders like that as representative of any religion I belonged to.
Not all Shia Mullahs represent me or my beliefs vza...And the fact that you cannot separate between the varied beliefs and practices of Muslims and their leaders says a lot about you and your biases...
ReplyDeleteGeorge Bush represented our Democracy as an elected President of the U.S., did he represent you?
ReplyDeleteOh please, I never said they do and NEVER said the fanatics represent all Islam or Shia Islam. I know quite a few Iranians who, without reservation, condemn the fanatic mullahs and they are hardly attacking Shia Islam. They know it is the fanatics who hurt their religion. They do not run interference for them or make excuses. I have been referring to fanatics all along and I think you prefer to see it as an attack on Islam or your Islam.
ReplyDeleteThe only sane, moral response to a mullah who announces a death fatwa against an AUTHOR and glorfies those who attempt to kill the author, is to condemn the fatwa and the mullah who made it.
Oh please, I never said they do and NEVER said the fanatics represent all Islam or Shia Islam. I know quite a few Iranians who, without reservation, condemn the fanatic mullahs and they are hardly attacking Shia Islam. They know it is the fanatics who hurt their religion. They do not run interference for them or make excuses. I have been referring to fanatics all along and I think you prefer to see it as an attack on Islam or your Islam.
ReplyDeleteThe only sane, moral response to a mullah who announces a death fatwa against an AUTHOR and glorifies those who attempt to kill the author, is to condemn the fatwa and the mullah who made it.
SO you still think that this statement which you posted and praised is completely accurate:
ReplyDeleteThis man says it all for me:
To suggest that any criticism of <span style="color: #a60000;"><acronym title="islamism: A political doctrine that promotes the supremacy of Islam over all other religions and systems of governance and is based on Sharia Law">Islamism</acronym></span>, the political ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranian Ayatollahs, is anti-Islamic is a bogus and fraudulent position. I would contend that my religion Islam demands that I stand up to these bullies and take away from their right to put padlocks on poetry and chastity belts on independent thinking.
People who were not insulted or offended when the Saudis demolished the Prophet Muhammad’s 1400-year-old House in Mecca, but who ran wild at the sight of Danish cartoons, can at best be described as men who have got their priorities wrong, and at worst as hypocrites."