Imagine, for a moment, how it might sound to turn on the news one day and hear that the head of the A.C.L.U. had vanished from his home in the predawn hours. Or, think how America might be different today if a pesky young Thurgood Marshall had been silenced using an obscure tax rule and kept out of the courts.
At around 5 A.M. on Wednesday, Chinese authorities visited the home of Xu Zhiyong, a prominent legal scholar and elected legislator in Beijing, and led him away. He has not been heard from again. Unless something changes, he is likely to stay away for a long time, with or without formal charges. Anyone with an interest in China, its economy, its place in the world, or the kind of future it will fashion, please take note: This is a big deal.
Of course As'ad would never post anything like this. Can anyone tell me why, on the left, supporting freedom for Tibet is not as cool as supporting freedom for Palestine?
Friday, July 31, 2009
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Maybe because he's an angry Arab not an angry Tibetan...
ReplyDeleteMaybe because he's an angry Arab not an angry Tibetan...
ReplyDeleteNot that he shoudn't expand the scope of his anger though..
One simple answer: The American Empire cannot be held responsible for the ethnic cleansing, occupation, and continued oppression in Tibet.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, this articl said nothing about Tibet. Secondly, I have repeatedly spoke out against what is taking place in China - in fact, just recently I posted portions when some imbecile said "follow China's example." So, no one is off the hook on this one in regrad to my record speaking out against China.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I have not said much about Tibet (and there is no need to unearth it AGAIN because of somes ignorance), and the author of this post knows why. What I would like to know is why no one speaks out about what is being done to indigenous populations around the world - why is that? Or, why has no one spoken about the massacres in Tamil? I could go on - but you do not hear that from me do you, I do not want to post like a little baby that wants to paint people with some sort of fake prejudicial brush, and never ending pettiness to falsely discredit - "Oh, nya nya na nya nya - why don't you say anything about so and so, blah blah blah."
As far as China see (among many others on my site) -
THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS
Just recently, a Chinese cyber dissident was arrested. What for? For criticizing China over human rights abuses with the upcoming Olympics, they called it suspicion of subverting state power, this is what his wife said. So tonight we are going to talk about the worst of both worlds, and the people squeezed in between the ideologies.
In China you have the worst of both worlds, the capitalism that "won the heart" of China (or rather the corrupt elite), and the centralism that was repressive and abusive of human rights in the "old regime." So now thousands of riots are taking place - what you never heard of them? Thank your news service for that. To be frank, since China's "awakening" it has been one abuse of the people after another with no end in sight.
...It ranks China 163rd out of 167 nations on its global press freedom index.
http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2007_m-12_d-20_y-2007_o-0.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2005/220905execution.jpg
First of all, this article said nothing about Tibet. Secondly, I have repeatedly spoke out against what is taking place in China - in fact, just recently I posted portions when some imbecile said "follow China's example." So, no one is off the hook on this one in regard to my record speaking out against China.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I have not said much about Tibet (and there is no need to unearth it AGAIN because of some peoples willful ignorance), and the author of this post knows why. What I would like to know is why no one speaks out about what is being done to indigenous populations around the world - why is that? Or, why has no one spoken about the massacres in Tamil? I could go on - but you do not hear that from me do you, I do not want to post like a little baby that wants to paint people with some sort of fake prejudicial brush, and never ending pettiness to falsely discredit - "Oh, nya nya na nya nya - why don't you say anything about so and so, blah blah blah."
As far as China see (among many others on my site) -
THE WORST OF BOTH WORLDS
Just recently, a Chinese cyber dissident was arrested. What for? For criticizing China over human rights abuses with the upcoming Olympics, they called it suspicion of subverting state power, this is what his wife said. So tonight we are going to talk about the worst of both worlds, and the people squeezed in between the ideologies.
In China you have the worst of both worlds, the capitalism that "won the heart" of China (or rather the corrupt elite), and the centralism that was repressive and abusive of human rights in the "old regime." So now thousands of riots are taking place - what you never heard of them? Thank your news service for that. To be frank, since China's "awakening" it has been one abuse of the people after another with no end in sight.
...It ranks China 163rd out of 167 nations on its global press freedom index.
http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-12_cy-2007_m-12_d-20_y-2007_o-0.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/september2005/220905execution.jpg
THERE ARE NOW 3 TIMES AS MAMY DEATH VANS
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/12/1047431092598.html
THERE ARE NOW 3 TIMES AS MANY DEATH VANS
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/12/1047431092598.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToMiI-EGCI
ReplyDeleteTGIA, the global left backed Moa when he attacked Chiang Kai Check, invaded Tibet, killed 30 million during the cultural revolution, invaded India, and when they occupied North Vietnam with 130,000 troops in the 1960s and 1970s (this was the steady state occupation force, the number of troops who served in North Vietnam was far greater.)
ReplyDeleteOnly during the Soviet China war in 1971, and the Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979 did the global left hesitate and become confused.
TGIA, do you know that Indian communists backed China's invasion of India? Why?
Professor Assad does not live in Chine, he lives in the U.S.A. China does not claim it allows complete freedoms for all people as the USA does. China has not been going around the world invading and attacking countries that are not serving its global interestsand trying to spread its kind of governance.
ReplyDeleteThe U.S., can be held responsible for the ethnic cleansing, continued occupation, and oppression of the Palestinian people and it is a hypocrite to point the finger at others who do the same...
The Dalai Lama is a Political Fraud
ReplyDeletehttp://thedalailamaisapoliticalfraud.blogspot.com/
"First of all, this article said nothing about Tibet. Secondly, I have repeatedly spoke out against what is taking place in China"
ReplyDelete<span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; mso-fareast- mso-bidi- mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">Exactly, one can be opposed to china without supporting the fake Dalai Lama. </span>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">"Disarm your person and disarm the World, violence has solution" H.H the Dalai Lama</span>
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">Wonder why His Lying Dalai Lama didn't disarm George Bush when he met him? Instead, he came out and told people he and Bush instantly hit it off and he loved the warmonger. He said he would withhold judgment on the attack of Iraq. He also said he supported Bush's war on terror because, according to him, some humans are just inherently evil, referring to the Muslim “extremists” Bush branded for the kill.</span>
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">"The Dalai Lama, a lifelong champion of non-violence on Saturday candidly stated that terrorism cannot be tackled by applying the principle of ahimsa because the minds of terrorists are closed…The head of the Tibetan government-in-exile left the audience stunned when he said "I love President George W Bush."</span>
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">If the Dalai Lama is a true Buddhist, he would realize that his course of action would reincarnate him as a cockroach if he does not repent his way and stop serving the CIA soon. </span>
vza,
ReplyDeleteJust to let you know, I responded to your comments to me on the "Censored or Vandalized? Nude Angel Cvered Up at French Cathedral " blog entry...
"The terrorist is the one with the small bomb." - Brendan Behan
ReplyDelete"Professor Assad does not live in Chine"
ReplyDeleteAmericans dont live in Palestine.
"China does not claim it allows complete freedoms for all people.."
The USA does not claim "complete freedoms for all", whatever that is. Inside the US we value our freedoms of religion, speech, press, etc. But we clearly have never claimed our domestic policies are guaranteed to "all people".
Nonetheless, i find it fascinating that China is given a complete pass by the Asads of the world despite its 1000 times worse record. Or that when Iran kills "protestors" in secret jails, not a peep from Asad or any of the other "brave lefties" hiding out in the safe confines of the US.
The US people utterly and completely reject the notion that we are responsible for the situation of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have chosen their leaders, followed their directives and supported their policies. No amount of "guilt mongering" is going to change our perspective. We will never "deliver" an Israel-free Palestine to the arab world. So sorry.
Arent some of those roadside bombs pretty damn huge these days? Maybe your buddies can give you some details on that, r.s.? LOL
ReplyDeleteLet's all hope terrorists dont get access to much larger bombs. Imagine a Spain or London attack with much, much larger explosives. Or perhaps a dirty nuclear device going off in NYC or Washington DC. If anti-western types ever do get hold of a "big bomb", and find a way to effectively deploy it, there will be hell to pay. And be assurred it wont benefit the Palestinians.
"be assurred it wont benefit the Palestinians."
ReplyDeleteNothing does!
Only the Palestinians can bring benefit to themselves. Plain and simple.
ReplyDelete<span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">
ReplyDelete<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; text-align: left;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;"><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">The Palestinians will have to wait forever to see the benefits of any nonsense called peace talks with a liar and a thief. </span></span><span style=" color: #404040; font-family: Verdana; text-decoration: none; text-underline: none;">
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The Palestinians will have to wait forever to see the benefits of any nonsense called peace talks with a liar and a thief.
ReplyDeleteGermany and Japan were utterly defeated after WWII. Both countries were literally in shambles. The population was decimated, national pride had been eviscerated and their lands were under occupation by foreign forces. Their future was incredibly bleak. Since then they have built two of the world's leading economies - almost literally from scratch.
ReplyDeleteIt was done despite great obstacles AND a forced committment to non militarisrtic policies. They grasped great victory from the jaws of humiliating defeat without so much as firing a shot.
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"First of all, this article said nothing about Tibet. Secondly, I have repeatedly spoke out against what is taking place in China"
ReplyDeleteExactly, one can be opposed to the Chinese government without supporting the fake Dalai Lama.
"But we clearly have never claimed our domestic policies are guaranteed to "all people"."
ReplyDeleteWell fleming, we certainly know this to be a fact -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0XXYqU4SF8
The other stuff is patently ridiculous and does not even merit a comment
No one has forgotten Tiananmen Square, nor the series of abuse afterwards that claimed the lives of many people, without the cameras rolling -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ
However, do you know why the US government does nothing about it? First, they are too threatening - and we can only attack nations like bullies that cannot harm us. Second, China has been made the number 1 manufacturing center, a partner of preference - and business, profit, always trumps the lives of untold millions.
No one has forgotten Tiananmen Square, nor the series of abuse afterwards that claimed the lives of many people, without the cameras rolling -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ
However, do you know why the US government does nothing about it? First, they are too threatening - and we can only attack nations like bullies that cannot harm us. Second, China has been made the number 1 manufacturing center, a partner of preference - and business, profit, always trumps the lives of untold millions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6inWKFKv9UA&feature=related
However, I will never forget, ever
I should have said "claimed by actions" fleming, it certainly is claimed in the Declaration, or repeated in principle -
ReplyDelete"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."
The Declaration is built and implied in the Constitutional workings, any other reading is not correct. If it were not so, that all men are seen as the same, than the revolution would have never had any validity - but all actions of the people, from that point forward, are proclaimed as the working out of this chief cornerstone. Otherwise, you would have no right to accuse China, since it is not true.
I am going to have to ask you to cease comparing apples to oranges fleming, unless you want me to elaborate "AGAIN," and expose your hind quarters for all to see in public.
ReplyDeleteChina has invaded many countries:
ReplyDelete1) India in 1962
2) Tibet in 1950
3) Vietnam 1979
4) North Vietnam 1960s and 1970s
5) USSR 1971 (okay, maybe the Soviets also invaded China)
6) Korea 1950-1953
7) China has supported many proxies around the world.
This is China's past. China is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"MUCH"</span> better know and a positive force for solving global problems. However, Marion, please don't say things that are not true about China's past.
r.s. why do you hate the Dalai Lama? Indian communists hate him too. Indian communists backed China invading their own country! :(
ReplyDeleteMost people around the world would love the Dalai Lama if they ever got to know him.
v, the same is true of South Korea in 1953 (poorer per capita than Bangladesh or Kenya), Italy 1945, and many other countries.
ReplyDeleteI knew you would swallow it hook, line, and sinker Anand - no surpise here
ReplyDeleteDoes this look familar? What a parody -
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I was talking about outside the US, V. The principles esposed by the D of I and the Const are guaranteed only within the confines of the US. While we certainly believe other countries would benefit from adopting them as well, by no means can we we guarantee them for all people beyond our borders.
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Where did I mention fruit? Unless maybe you are claiming offense as a "fruitcake"??? LOL
Expose all the hind quarters you want v. Doesnt it suck when people are asked to take responsibility for themselves, though? I know my younger brother has issues with it...
PS: Dont take offense v. I put you more in the nutjob camp :)
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ReplyDeleteWhere did I mention fruit? Unless maybe you are claiming offense as a "fruitcake"??? LOL
Expose all the hind quarters you want v. Doesnt it suck when people are asked to take responsibility for themselves, though? I know my younger brother has issues with it...
PS: Please dont take offense, v, in my calling you a fruitcake. I actually put you more in the nutjob camp :) <span style="mso-no-proof: yes"></span></span>
The U.S. is responsible because it helps arm Israel and because its help fund Israel's illegal occupation with American tax dollars. As a "free" unoccupied American I do not support the occupation of the Palestinian people, so why can't I request that my tax dollars do not go to funding Israel?
ReplyDeleteCan you now list all of the countries the U.S. has invaded or supported proxies in let's say the last fifty years anand, or even the last twenty would suffice....
ReplyDeleteWe may not be able to guarantee those living outside our country their rights from within their countries, but when we decide to be the policmen of the world and we choose to violate the God given rights of people in other countries their rights to self determination and their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit to happiness, we must be held responsible for our actions...
ReplyDeleteNot when they are being occupied and subsequently oppressed...
ReplyDeleteThis comment of mine was meant for Flemings remark:
ReplyDelete"Only the Palestinians can bring benefit to themselves. Plain and simple. "
Resistance is the only answer until the occupation has ended...
Why take time with you fleming? lol Lets make short work of it -
ReplyDelete1). There are no "empires" at war, just empire assisting one colonial faction;
2). There are no side in agreement not because the Palestinians will not agree to anything, but because of a group of Zionists with a rancid ideology will agree to nothing;
3). There is no goal to rebuild, just like previous "builds" were wantonly destroyed, the ultimate goal is not reconciliation with the Palestinians, but genocide (intent) in the final degree;
4). It is not the goal of Israel or the USA to have a viable Palestinian state. As an example, even if you look at what was done in Japan - the fact is always bemoaned as a mistake in the Euro/American circles, and the resolve to never let it happen again is the current neoliberal debacle seen in the world today; America made tons of money by monopoly of rebuilding in both Europe and the East.
5). non-militaristic policies mean nothing to the Zionists, they cannot wait to break every "agreement," even when there was a commitment to non-violent resistance (and currently we see this in the murder of Palestinians who practice peaceful resistance), the kill ratio against the Palestinians goes through the roof (10 to 0 during the first 6 months of the second intifada). The idea is to either kill or remove as many Palestinians as possible.
So your ideas are about as comparable as an egg to a plant. The USA, nor Israel its "partner" has any intention of "building" the Middle East - but to keep them is disarray. This goes on for two reasons - exploitation (see neoliberalism), and the emphasis is placed on the obduracy of the ME for the sake of Israel. Why, because just like previous elites who have controlled Washington, this is just another group of elites, and the policy coming from your government reflects their commitment to them. Note that I said this is like any other time, just a different group, and finally in regard to the Palestinians - they do not mean shit to them as compared to their ready made group of elites in power today.
Which quite frankly fleming, with your strange comparisons, which bear no resemblance to reality, makes you look like a fool. Sing a bar of god bless America for me...
Short version, I have not even scratched the surface, and already your hind quarters are ready for fools photography.
Why take time with you fleming? lol Lets make short work of it -
ReplyDelete1). There are no "empires" at war, just empire assisting one colonial faction;
2). There are no side in agreement not because the Palestinians will not agree to anything, but because of a group of Zionists with a rancid ideology will agree to nothing;
3). There is no goal to rebuild, just like previous "builds" were wantonly destroyed, the ultimate goal is not reconciliation with the Palestinians, but genocide (intent) in the final degree;
4). It is not the goal of Israel or the USA to have a viable Palestinian state. As an example, even if you look at what was done in Japan - the fact is always bemoaned as a mistake in the Euro/American circles, and the resolve to never let it happen again is the current neoliberal debacle seen in the world today; America made tons of money by monopoly of rebuilding in both Europe and the East.
5). non-militaristic policies mean nothing to the Zionists, they cannot wait to break every "agreement," even when there was a commitment to non-violent resistance (and currently we see this in the murder of Palestinians who practice peaceful resistance), the kill ratio against the Palestinians goes through the roof (10 to 0 during the first 6 months of the second intifada). The idea is to either kill or remove as many Palestinians as possible.
So your ideas are about as comparable as an egg to a plant. The USA, nor Israel its "partner" has any intention of "building" the Middle East - but to keep them is disarray. This goes on for two reasons - exploitation (see neoliberalism), and the emphasis is placed on the obduracy of the ME for the sake of Israel. Why, because just like previous elites who have controlled Washington, this is just another group of elites, and the policy coming from your government reflects their commitment to them. Note that I said this is like any other time, just a different group, and finally in regard to the Palestinians - they do not mean shit to them as compared to their ready made group of elites in power today.
Which quite frankly fleming, with your strange comparisons, which bear no resemblance to reality, makes you look like a fool. Sing a bar of god bless America for me...
Your hind quarters are showing without even a sweat breaking on my part, ready for fools photography.
Why take time with you fleming? lol Lets make short work of it -
ReplyDelete1). There are no "empires" at war, just empire assisting one colonial faction against a small regional people;
2). There are no side in agreement not because the Palestinians will not agree to anything, but because of a group of Zionists with a rancid ideology will agree to nothing;
3). There is no goal to rebuild, just like previous "builds" were wantonly destroyed, the ultimate goal is not reconciliation with the Palestinians, but genocide (intent) in the final degree;
4). It is not the goal of Israel or the USA to have a viable Palestinian state. As an example, even if you look at what was done in Japan - the fact is always bemoaned as a mistake in the Euro/American circles, and the resolve to never let it happen again is the current neoliberal debacle seen in the world today; America made tons of money by monopoly of rebuilding in both Europe and the East.
5). non-militaristic policies mean nothing to the Zionists, they cannot wait to break every "agreement," even when there was a commitment to non-violent resistance (and currently we see this in the murder of Palestinians who practice peaceful resistance), the kill ratio against the Palestinians goes through the roof (10 to 0 during the first 6 months of the second intifada). The idea is to either kill or remove as many Palestinians as possible.
So your ideas are about as comparable as an egg to a plant. The USA, nor Israel its "partner" has any intention of "building" the Middle East - but to keep them is disarray. This goes on for two reasons - exploitation (see neoliberalism), and the emphasis is placed on the obduracy of the ME for the sake of Israel. Why, because just like previous elites who have controlled Washington, this is just another group of elites, and the policy coming from your government reflects their commitment to them. Note that I said this is like any other time, just a different group, and finally in regard to the Palestinians - they do not mean shit to them as compared to their ready made group of elites in power today.
Which quite frankly fleming, with your strange comparisons, which bear no resemblance to reality, makes you look like a fool. Sing a bar of god bless America for me...
Your hind quarters are showing without even a sweat breaking on my part, ready for fools photography.
Well Guest, what can I say? You want to make war on the US to "hold us accountable" according to your perspective, have at it. All Im saying is that the overwhelming majority of americans do not buy your argument and are not going to change their minds no matter how much guilt you try and impart.
ReplyDeletePerhaps when Palestine adopts a US style consititution, including complete separation of "church and state" and all that goes with it, then we can talk about your God given rights. Until then, you make your bed, you lie in it.
The US is not policeman of the world. Take China or Somalia for example. We may try to influence or broker, but we do have oversight of sovereign nations.
I said it before. Let me be clear: The US will NEVER deliver an Israel-free Palestine to Palestine. Never. But, if you REALLY want to destroy Israel, you will have to go through us. I dont see that happening, either.
BTW, who exactly is going to hold the US "responsible" for its actions? What court? Yours? You think 300 million americans are just going to abdicate their right to self determination and self rule to....the Palestinians? Or some other outside group like Alqueda? Not in a million years.
We are not intimidated by your threats or assuaged by your baseless accusations. You should expend your efforts on rebuilding the Palestinian state rather than hopeless endeavors that require the collapse of america and the destruction of Israel. But I realize its much easier to believe in fantasies than it is to do the hard work of nation building. Im sad for you and yours.
I know you guys get all stoked about the "noble resistance" and love carrying around the AK. But Im telling you, its a loser's path. Your society and culture is dying a slow but steady death while you jack yourself up on false pride in a doomed effort at redemption. Resistance will lead you only to a bleak, dark end of total cultural annihilation.
ReplyDeleteAlso, let me add another note for emphasis - did you notice that I said the current power structure is no different than what has gone on in the past? That is because there are always moneyed elites vieing for control. The only reason why someone would be terribly alarmed about the "Zionists" (both foreign and domestic, ethnic and empathetic, religious and non-religious) is if they had some strange idea that this has never happened before - or, they are antisemites (who did not mind the Morgans and the Mellons, but cannot stand those "Jews").
ReplyDelete...so why cant I request my tax dollars do not go to...
ReplyDeleteAre you really asking this question? Surely you mean it rhetorically? Do you think every american agrees with the way every tax dollar is spent???? :) :) :) :) :) :)
Surely you jest. But hey, dont ask me, give it try and 'withold" some of your taxes for that purpose. Then see what your new buddies at the IRS say.
Also, let me add another note for emphasis - did you notice that I said the current power structure is no different than what has gone on in the past? That is because there are always moneyed elites vying for control. The only reason why someone would be terribly alarmed about the "Zionists" (both foreign and domestic, ethnic and empathetic, religious and non-religious) is if they had some strange idea that this has never happened before - or, they are antisemites (who did not mind the Morgans and the Mellons, but cannot stand those "Jews").
ReplyDeleteThe only possible argument that can be made in regard to Zionist elites is that they have a "foreign" goal, rather than previous ones who at least planted some goals here in the states. I suppose one could like at it in this way, but there is no argument that this process of moneyed and powerful elites ruling is something new. This is in the very warp and woof of the "American" way (no matter how much bullshit is written about the people), and the only thing that stops it is the unstoppable resistance of the people.
ReplyDeleteThe only possible argument that can be made in regard to Zionist elites is that they have a "foreign" goal, rather than previous ones who at least planted some goals here in the states. I suppose one could look at it in this way, but there is no argument that this process of moneyed and powerful elites ruling is something new. This is in the very warp and woof of the "American" way (no matter how much bullshit is written about the people), and the only thing that stops it is the unstoppable resistance of the people. Either you go after the real entrenched culprit, or even if after you have removed the current group from power, another will take its place - it has to be total systemic change.
ReplyDeleteI give v! :) Your convulated "logic" and diatribes against the "elites" are so, well, convulated that my teeny weeny little brain cant make head nor tail of them! Sorry, guess Im just not smart enough to be a counter-revolutionary. Good luck with the mensas, though.
ReplyDeleteOh, and btw, I do stand up at ballgames for the national anthem, applaud the troops in airports and get a bit teary eyed when I hear stories of their sacrifice. Yes, yes, I know Im a foolish knave serving an elite who cares nothing for me. But gosh v, life is pretty good as a knave. Flat screen tvs, air conditioning, granite countertops, I mean really v, what more is there?? LOL
In other words, it is time to wake up - it does not matter how many bodies you switch around in Washington. Mark my words
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1T8xgHdMEM
Marion, Fleming is right that you don't get to decide how each dollar in taxes that you pay are spent.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that US aid to Israel should be cut off. You only have one problem with America Marion. If America started singing Nasrallah's praise and supported him against Israel . . . you would shift overnight into a flag carrying "USA" chanting all American girl.
You don't really disagree with anything else America does Marion. Not really.
In Afghanistan, Iran and Ameirca are backing the "SAME" people. In fact, Americans frequently allege that Karzai and the GIRoA are Vivak (Iranian intelligence.) Ditto with Iraq. The real reason you are upset with America is because America doesn't back Sayyed Nasrallah 100%.
What rights is America violating Marion?
ReplyDeleteAgain, if America backed Nasrallah against Israel, you would become pro American.
You want to make war on the US
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Typical fleming! No need to say more.
Perhaps when Palestine adopts a US style consititution, including complete separation of "church and state" and all that goes with it, then we can talk about your God given rights.
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And they should becomew rich too.Ha ha ha.
Stick to the economy fleming...Stick to the economy..
ReplyDeleteA friend's advice...
Germany and Japan were utterly defeated after WWII. Both countries were literally in shambles. The population was decimated, national pride had been eviscerated and their lands were under occupation by foreign forces.
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Why don't you accept that the empire is doomed to defeat flamingo?? It will happen sooner than than than that of the Palestinians...
Yes they should. Money makes the world go round. With money the Palestinians would be able to bribe the international community and Israel to get what they want. Israelis brown nose rich people.
ReplyDeleteThe real challenge for the Palestinian people is insufficient leverage. Becoming rich means leverage.
"But gosh v, life is pretty good as a knave. Flat screen tvs, air conditioning, granite countertops, I mean really v, what more is there?? LOL"
ReplyDeleteA brain
"Israelis brown nose rich people." Anand
ReplyDeleteYou are beginning to piss me off
Let me shoe you what an advanced genocide looks like, the aftermath, we do not want the same fate for the Palestinians, that is why the Israelis must be stopped NOW -
ReplyDeleteLakotah men have a life expectancy of less than 44 years, lowest of any country in the World (excluding AIDS) including Haiti.
Lakotah death rate is the highest in the United States.
The Lakotah infant mortality rate is 300% more than the U.S. Average
One out of every four Lakotah children born are fostered or adopted out to non-Indian homes.
Diseases such as tuberculosis, polio, etc. are present. Cancer is now at epidemic proportions!
Teenage suicide rate is 150% higher than the U.S national average for this group
The Tuberculosis rate on Lakotah reservations is approx. 800% higher than the U.S national average
Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S national average.
The rate of diabetes is 800% higher than the U.S national average.
Federal Commodity Food Program provides high sugar foods that kill Native people through diabetes and heart disease.
Median income is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.
97% of our Lakotah people live below the poverty line.
Many families cannot afford heating oil, wood or propane and many residents use ovens to heat their homes.
Unemployment rates on our reservations are 80% or higher
Government funding for job creation is lost through cronyism and corruption.
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ReplyDeleteElderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing)
1/3 of the homes lack basic clean water and sewage while 40% lack electricity.
60% of Reservation families have no telephone.
60% of housing is infected with potentially fatal black molds.
There is an estimated average of 17 people living in each family home (many only have two to three rooms). Some homes, built for 6 to 8 people, have up to 30 people living in them.
More than half the Reservation’s adults battle addiction and disease.
Alcoholism affects 9 in 10 families.
Two known meth-amphetamine labs allowed to continue operation. Why?
Indian children incarceration rate 40% higher than whites.
In South Dakota, 21 percent of state prisoners are American Indians, yet they only make up 2% of the population.
Indians have the second largest state prison incarceration rate in the nation
Most Indians live on federal reservations. Less than 2% of Indians live where the state has jurisdiction!
Only 14% of the Lakotah population can speak the Lakotah language.
The language is not being shared inter-generationally. Today, the average age of a fluent Lakotah speaker is 65 years.
Our Lakotah language is an Endangered Language, on the verge of extinction.
Our Lakotah language is not allowed to be taught in the U.S. Government schools.
god bless America
V, what about that statement is offensive? Do you think it is a racist remark? If so I apologize.
ReplyDeleteLet me shoe you what an advanced genocide looks like, the aftermath, we do not want the same fate for the Palestinians, that is why the Israelis must be stopped NOW -
ReplyDeleteLakotah men have a life expectancy of less than 44 years, lowest of any country in the World (excluding AIDS) including Haiti.
Lakotah death rate is the highest in the United States.
The Lakotah infant mortality rate is 300% more than the U.S. Average
One out of every four Lakotah children born are fostered or adopted out to non-Indian homes.
Diseases such as tuberculosis, polio, etc. are present. Cancer is now at epidemic proportions!
Teenage suicide rate is 150% higher than the U.S national average for this group
The Tuberculosis rate on Lakotah reservations is approx. 800% higher than the U.S national average
Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S national average.
The rate of diabetes is 800% higher than the U.S national average.
Federal Commodity Food Program provides high sugar foods that kill Native people through diabetes and heart disease.
Median income is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.
97% of our Lakotah people live below the poverty line.
Many families cannot afford heating oil, wood or propane and many residents use ovens to heat their homes.
Unemployment rates on our reservations are 80% or higher
Government funding for job creation is lost through cronyism and corruption.
Let me show you what an advanced genocide looks like, the aftermath, we do not want the same fate for the Palestinians, that is why the Israelis must be stopped NOW -
ReplyDeleteLakotah men have a life expectancy of less than 44 years, lowest of any country in the World (excluding AIDS) including Haiti.
Lakotah death rate is the highest in the United States.
The Lakotah infant mortality rate is 300% more than the U.S. Average
One out of every four Lakotah children born are fostered or adopted out to non-Indian homes.
Diseases such as tuberculosis, polio, etc. are present. Cancer is now at epidemic proportions!
Teenage suicide rate is 150% higher than the U.S national average for this group
The Tuberculosis rate on Lakotah reservations is approx. 800% higher than the U.S national average
Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S national average.
The rate of diabetes is 800% higher than the U.S national average.
Federal Commodity Food Program provides high sugar foods that kill Native people through diabetes and heart disease.
Median income is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year. 97% of our Lakotah people live below the poverty line.
Many families cannot afford heating oil, wood or propane and many residents use ovens to heat their homes.
Unemployment rates on our reservations are 80% or higher
Government funding for job creation is lost through cronyism and corruption.
That is not what the D of I says fleming, it says all men. However, if it is any consolation, that does not even apply within the USA.
ReplyDeleteOh, and kiss my ass about AQ fleming, if you believe that you are indeed a dumb shit
ReplyDelete"The US is not policeman of the world. Take China or Somalia for example." fleming
ReplyDeleteNo, it is the bully of the weak and defenseless in the world. Note carefully the numerous times it has attacked Somalia, and the zero amount it has China. Keep talking
"Perhaps when Palestine adopts a US style consititution, including complete separation of "church and state" and all that goes with it, then we can talk about your God given rights." fleming
ReplyDeleteAsk the "only democracy in the ME" to go first (Israel), than maybe others will follow blowhard
"I said it before. Let me be clear: The US will NEVER deliver an Israel-free Palestine to Palestine. Never. But, if you REALLY want to destroy Israel, you will have to go through us. I dont see that happening, either." fleming
ReplyDeleteNo, it won't deliever a free Palestine period. The Palestinians are not advocating the destruction of the Israelis, but if you had two eyes in your skull and a brain to boot, you would see that this is the goal of the Israelis - to destroy the Palestinians. You, like the Zionist piece of shit counterparts can talk about "intent," all you like - it is Israel that is acting out a genocidal process. Just like you and your kind can talk about a Nazi like "pre-emptive" war, which makes the supporters of Israel equally Nazis of the first rank - no one can accuse you, or those like you in the USA of understanding Nuremberg, you do not so both the USA and Israel will go along their fascist path. The only difference being that neither of you goose step.
"I said it before. Let me be clear: The US will NEVER deliver an Israel-free Palestine to Palestine. Never. But, if you REALLY want to destroy Israel, you will have to go through us. I dont see that happening, either." fleming
ReplyDeleteNo, it won't deliever a free Palestine period. The Palestinians are not advocating the destruction of the Israelis, but if you had two eyes in your skull and a brain to boot, you would see that this is the goal of the Israelis - to destroy the Palestinians. You, like the Zionist piece of shit counterparts can talk about "intent," all you like - it is Israel that is acting out a genocidal process. Just like you and your kind can talk about a Nazi like "pre-emptive" war, which makes the supporters of Israel equally Nazis of the first rank - no one can accuse you, or those like you in the USA of understanding Nuremberg, you do not so both the USA and Israel will go along their fascist path. The only difference being that neither of you goose step.
Why don't you listen to someone who knows what they are talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0htAOCUsbI
NEXT!
ReplyDeleteOh, by the way, Tanya Reinhart was correct except for one thing - her statement that it was merely a slow genocide and that they did not "bomb entire cities." On that matter she was incorrect, but we will not hold that against her. However, it does mean that my view of escalation of the genocide that I have been talking about for a few years is correct unfortunately.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_sLNYDU1yQ
ReplyDeleteWhat does this shit exactly mean?
ReplyDelete"Only the Palestinians can bring benefit to themselves. Plain and simple. "
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The Palestinians don't take advice from people who don't give shit about them.
Palestinians don't give a shit about shits who have nothing to offer but shit!
now v is asking too much, Fleming and his brain parted company long ago .
ReplyDeleteGermany and Japan were utterly defeated after WWII.
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Yawn.
Stick to the economy, stupid!!
anand if you think I am that simple minded than I question your simple mind...
ReplyDelete"Perhaps when Palestine adopts a US style consititution, including complete separation of "church and state" and all that goes with it, then we can talk about your God given rights. Until then, you make your bed, you lie in it. "--Fleming
ReplyDeletePerhaps?????
LOL!
The dictating Empire spokesperson speaks...
I will wager that the present Zio/USIsrael empire will eventually fail due to its blind arrogance...
ReplyDeleteIs there complete seperation of Church and State in Zionist Israel Fleming, supposedly the only Democracy in the Middle East that is similar to the U.S. Democracy? LOL!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat does Israel's constiitution say Fleming? Oh that is right they do not have one do they??? LOL!
If Israel is a Democracy for all of its people based on the seperation of Church and State than why are the Zionists insisting on a Jewish State of Israel?
"Well Guest, what can I say? You want to make war on the US to "hold us accountable" according to your perspective, have at it."--Fleming
ReplyDeleteNo I want to resist U.S. made wars Fleming, not make wars....
You can take the money that makes the world go around and shove it you know where anand, because it is dirty money....
ReplyDeleteWhat has been achieved without money? What war has ever been won without money? What reduction in poverty has ever been accomplished without money? When have people been helped without money?
ReplyDeleteWhy should Palestinians starve for you Marion? Why can't Palestinians eat too? Why can't they be rich too?
When did Mohammed, Ali, Hussein, Hassan, or any of the other Imams order people to remain poor? When did they order people not to use common sense? When did they order people not to use their God given common sense and intelligence to get what is entitled to them?
What is wrong with Palestinians using their smarts to get rich, get influence, get leverage; and use all of these creatively to get the justice they are entitled to. It isn't "dirty"?
Here is your American ethnocentric arrogance. America isn't that important; but is buffeted by many waves that don't originate from America. We live in a world of interdependence Marion.
ReplyDeleteDid America start the Takfiri war in the 630s AD? Did America massacre the Shia in Gilgit Kashmir in 1988? No, Osama Bin Laden did. Did America tell the Taliban to attack the Afghans? No, the Taliban did it anyway. Now the Afghans fight for their freedom from the Taiban. They have asked for Iran's help. Iran is offering some. The Afghans have also asked for the help of other countries as is their right as a sovereign country.
Is Israel/Palestine a US made war? LOL The USSR and Czech republic backed Israel's formation in 1948 and sent them weapons. America started supporting Israel when Kennedy became president in 1961.
Do you mean the North Korean invasion of South Korea in 1950?
Which wars?
Israel isn't America Marion. Israel is a different country.
ReplyDeleteWhat is empire? Globalization? If so, then the world wants America to become richer because it benefits them. Ditto with China, India, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, and the other large global economies.
If America becomes pooer, the whole world will suffer, especially the global very poor. Why would you favor such a thing?
This is precisely the reason I want China, India, Indonesia, and every country to become rich. Because the world benefits from more rich people
TGIA, Japan, Germany, Italy, South Korea, were all extremely poor. They become rich despite a harsh US occuption. Eventually they built powerful lobbies that greatly influence every part of the US.
ReplyDeleteThis is the point I think Flemming is making.
I am quite sure you will wager such, Guest. You see, that really is your only hope. That the USA and Israel somehow collapse into a fetid heap. That really is a best case scenario for you. The idea being then, that after, the Palestinians could sweep in and take advantage of the weakend position of their adversaries.
ReplyDeleteWhat you dont see is that anyone who so eagerly makes such predictions is clearly, clearly our foe and not our friend. You actually look forward to the collapse of the USA as your biggest and best hope. But in the meantime, you want us to have pity on you, to love you more than Israel, to support you exclusivley in your "struggle" against the Israelis.
Sorry Guest, you cant have it both ways. Gleefully forecasting our imminent destruction on one hand while desperately seeking our love and support on the other. I know you think we americans are stupid, but "we aint that stupid"! LOL
Blind arrogance? Please. You folks are still trying to figure out how to make things work in the 21st centruy. You are net detractors, not adders, to the advancement of the human condition. If anybody is going to save humanity from its centuries of struggle, its modern societties such as the USA, other western democracies, and those on the rise.
Once again, we are not here to ensure that every country follows our example exactly. We do not have the only right way.
ReplyDeleteIsrael has proven it can develop and build a modern, welathy society even with a strong religious underpinning. The Palestinians have not.
"Israel has proven it can develop and build a modern, welathy society even with a strong religious underpinning. The Palestinians have not." fleming
ReplyDeleteModern Israel is a welfare state fleming, it creates wealth for a few - it receives more than the other countries combined in "aid." When you are done, shut up - but if you must, by all means remove all doubt as to your apologetic "capabilty" by laying more eggs.
So according to you anand, just can only be bought...LOL!
ReplyDeleteI do not think you truly understand the examples and messages of the Imam's, and please do not dishonor them and their truthful messages and examples with your dirty capitalistic money makes the world go around theories...
Meant to say" justice can only be bought"....
ReplyDeleteanand,
ReplyDeleteAmerica supported Osama and the Taliban even when they knew how oppresive they were to Shia and the Afhgna people based on its money makes the world go around capitalistic interests...
And support for Israel from the U.S. did not start with Kennedy, it started when we decided to accepted the creation of Israel in 1948 and it increased from there thanks to your money makes the world go around Zionist oriented capitalism...
"Is Israel/Palestine a US made war?"--anand
ReplyDeleteIt is a Zionist made war that is armed and supported by the Zionist controlled U.S., money makes the world go around capitalistic, government anand...
I am an American just like you Fleming...but I am one that likes to live in reality and reality is that our arrogance will eventually destroy us...Don't think that I take pleasure in this reality because I don't, but I do ahppen to believe that only the truth can set us free...
ReplyDeleteFlemings religious preferences are now becoming obvious...
ReplyDeleteIsrael has developed and built a modern wealthy religious society at the expense of the Palestinain people...
Marion, I would love to test your knowledge of Shia theology (including the 4 Shia Hadiths) against my own. Do we both want to face off?
ReplyDeleteMohammed was a capitalist business person. Islam respects business people who earn their money in just ways. Islam is not anti business or anti globalization. After all Mohammed use to transport trading goods between Mecca and Syria/Iraq/Turkey/Palestine.
Where does the Quron ask people to try to remain poor?
Marion, look up the facts. Truman recognized Israel. But America didn't start to back Israel until 1961. Israel was a Soviet ally in 1948. There was a lot of suspicion against Israel among Americans before Kennedy.
ReplyDeletePlease provide evidence that America supported the Taliban and OBL. I am serious.
America's mistake was providing aid to Pakistan, which then diverted that aid to OBL, AQ linked networks and the Taliban.
I think America should not have backed anti Shia KSA, Gulf states, Pakistan, Egypt and Jordan the way it has. This is one of my largest critics of America.
Ooooh, is this is your attempt at calling me a "jew" Guest? How delightfully racist of you. LOL
ReplyDeleteSorry hoss, I am a WASP thru and thru. In truth though, my only religion is captialism, 100% pure.
This blather about Israel as a welfare state is standard dribble from the anti-Israeli crowd. Look at their cities, look at their industries, look at their military for goodness sake. They may get monies from outlside sources but they put it to very good use. The US money is mostly used for buying military goods from the US, so its really more of a defense aid. Their economy is very healthy and wealthy all on its own.
Dear me Guest, it seems clear you are the one with the obvious bias. I suspect you are Palestinian. Whatever, you surely arent a US patriot. And homey, that dont play with me, or millions upon millions of people like me. I know because Im around them every day. If you do live in the US, your views are in the extreme minority.
Keep praying for our demise. It only makes us stronger and more resistant to your kind.
Oh good one VAA! My brain and I parted company, hahahah NOT.
ReplyDeleteThis approach, where all those who dont hold the same views as all the "VAAs" out there, are automatically stupid, ignorant, brainless, blah blah blah, is a horrible one. The more the VAAs tell us how stupid we are, the more we become convinced the VAAs are our foes and our adversaries, and not people who can be trusted or supported.
Keep it up. You are digging only a deeper grave, both for yourself and for generations of VAAs to come. Not to mention the long, slow genocidal death march of your culture. Just ask V about the american indians. Culturally speaking they are heading to extinction. Sadly for them, the future gets only bleaker. Your attitude Guest, assures your participation in their long slow march to oblivion.
"...stupid"
ReplyDeleteCant we all just get along? I thought we had a ban on name calling? :)
No, that's understandable, tgia. But the thing is, he does post on human rights violations in non-Arab parts of the world.
ReplyDeleteGive us your planes and tanks sir, than you can have our basket bombs...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/battle+for+algiers/video/x1g5bb_battle-of-algiers-10_politics
anand I am still waiting for your response to this question....
ReplyDeleteJust answer my question to you above anand:
ReplyDeleteCan you now list all of the countries the U.S. has invaded or supported proxies in let's say the last fifty years anand, or even the last twenty would suffice....
The kind of trading that Mohammed did on behalf of his first wife Khadija before they were married was not like the capitalism of today anand. Mohammed did not steal from the middle class and poor to give to the rich....
ReplyDelete"Please provide evidence that America supported the Taliban and OBL. I am serious. "--anand
ReplyDeleteDid you miss my evidence anand?
Daily Kos: Bin Laden Working for US until 9-11
<span style="color: #ae4c00;">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/31/63124/3823</span>
Mohammed was a capitalist business person.
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What utter ridiculous nonsense! It's like saying Mohamad was pro solar energy because he used to dry his washed clothes in the sun!!
Capitalism is a system, recent in Human's history, not a way of life! Human beings have been bying and selling and trading for centuries, does this make all their activities capitalistic!??