Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Occupiers aren’t democratic by definition

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23 comments:

  1. ananOctober 28, 2009 at 5:07 PM

    TGIA, historically this is incorrect. Countries often ask for foreign occupations through their democratically elected government.

    In recent weeks, India conducted its largest joint military exercise ever. The US and India both participated in the exercise on Indian soil.

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  2. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:23 PM

    <span>Countries often ask for foreign occupations through their democratically elected government. 
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    OH FRIGGING GEESUS ANAN! With comments like these you're making a mark as the most outlandish poster in the history of the internet! It's getting crazier by the day!

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  3. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:25 PM

    Not even worth a ban! You're just hilarious!!

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  4. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM

    And the rape victim has always asked for it!

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  5. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM

    <span><span>Countries often ask for foreign occupations through their democratically elected government.  
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    <span>And rape victims has always asked for it!</span>
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    FRIGGING GEESUS ANAN! With comments like these you're making a mark as the most outlandish poster in the history of the internet! It's getting crazier by the day!</span>

    Not even worth a ban! Just ridiculous!

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  6. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:39 PM

    Anan
    What type of a game are you playing here? It's no more about suspicions now, you know?

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  7. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 5:42 PM

    <span> India conducted its largest joint military exercise ever. The US and India both participated in the exercise on Indian soil.</span>
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    What does this have to do with occupation? TELL ME!!

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  8. ananOctober 28, 2009 at 5:58 PM

    TGIA, how is my statement ridiculous?

    Haven't the Japanese and South Korean governments asked for occupations for decades? {Because of the threats from North Korea, and before that China and the USSR}

    Didn't Taiwan ask for a US occupation, which America refused to provide for fear of offending China?

    Isn't Phillipines asking for an occupation right now, as they have since democracy returned in 1986? Hasn't the US occupation of Singapore been popular from the start, and doesn't it remain popular?

    Isn't the Indian occupation of Bhutan popular (because of China)? Doesn't Nepal want US, Chinese and Indian training for their army (which both India and the US have been half hearted at providing)?

    Don't the large majority of European countries want a US/NATO occupation of their countries?

    Hasn't Maldives asked for Indian occupation on many times (to protect them from pirates and criminals)?

    Hasn't East Timur repeatedly requested UN occupation troops over decades? {In practice they were lead by Australia with substantial Malaysian and US involvement.}

    Haven't different Lebanese factions requested Syrian and Israeli occupation at different times to help them fight other Lebanese factions? {In 1982, IDF intervened to help Amal, Druze, and some Christian factions fight the PLO. Although they promptly asked the Israelis to leave once the IDF kicked the PLO out.}

    Didn't American representatives repeatedly request the French, Dutch and Spanish occupations of America for many years during the 1770s and 1780s? {Especially between 1775 and 1782.}

    Why does Al Jazeera never discuss the US occupation of Qatar? Maybe because Al Jazeera backs the US occupation of their country.

    Doesn't Bangladesh frequently request the occupation of their country by 20,000 or so Marines for months at a time during major floods?

    TGIA, the Israeli occupation of Palestine is very different from most occupations and needs to be treated differently. Isn't this the bulk of what you have been telling me for some time?

    How common are Canadian protests against the 70 year US occupation of Canada?

    How is occupation = rape? Isn't occupation similar to alliances between different peoples to work together to address common threats?

    Occupations aren't wrong. What is wrong is occupations if the occupied do not specifically request it.

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  9. ananOctober 28, 2009 at 6:48 PM

    What is the definition of occupation? Is joint training exercises = occupation? Is long term military presence in a country occupation? Is long term military training in a country = occupation?

    For example, the Indian military has permanent representation at the Pacific command in Hawaii. Is this occupation?

    Perhaps my confusion comes from my failure to understand the word "occupation."

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  10. vOctober 28, 2009 at 7:17 PM

    Most people have a brain occupying their skull,  but not anan

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  11. vOctober 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM

    Actually TGIA,  anan is trying to use a stupid Zionist argument that occupation is good.  He just does not know how to tie it together. 

    Go back to the fucking Zionist site you ass licker and read it again,  maybe you will get it the next time.  Ass wipe

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  12. ananOctober 28, 2009 at 7:56 PM

    V, I was not talking about the Israeli occupation of Palestine, which is a "bad" occupation.

    By the way, the above clip talks about Israeli confiscations of Palestinian private territory in the occupied territory. Was this confiscation conducted by the ILA (Israeli Land Administration)?

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  13. vOctober 28, 2009 at 8:09 PM

    Yeah right anan...

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  14. r.s.October 28, 2009 at 8:28 PM

    No nation has the right to occupy another.

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  15. ananOctober 28, 2009 at 10:41 PM

    r.s. what if a country wants to be occupied by another country? Were the East Timurese immoral for wanting a lenghty foreign occupation of their country (by the UN)?

    Are the Japanese and South Koreans immoral for wanting a US occupation today (to force unreliable Americans who like to betray allies when they are down to assist them if North Korea attacks)?

    Were the Bangladeshis immoral for using India's occupation in  1971/1972 to liberate themselves and transform themselves into a free democracy?

    Were Bosnia and Kosovo immoral for demanding an international/UN/NATO occupation of their countries that is ongoing?

    Were America's founding fathers immoral for demanding a French invasion and occupation of America between 1775 and 1782 to help the Continental Army fight the British?

    Are over 15 European countries immoral for asking to be occupied with long term NATO (especially US) bases?

    R.S. who gave you the right to decide that countries don't have the right not to ask to be occupied?

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  16. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    Your attempts at giving a different meaning to the word occupation compells are so laughable it defies reason.
    Occupation, definition:
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    <td>the seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory.</td>
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    <td>the term of control of a territory by foreign military forces: <span>Danish resistance during the German occupation.</span></td>
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  17. thankgodimatheistOctober 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM

     Occupation, definition:
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    1.The seizure and control of an area by military forces, esp. foreign territory.</span>
    <span> 2.The term of control of a territory by foreign military forces:</span>

    A country doesn't ask to be occupied because by definition occupation is forceful. Anything else cannot be labeled as such.

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  18. ananOctober 29, 2009 at 12:19 AM

    I guess the word here is control. How do you define control? For example, Does Italy control the Vatican (because the Vatican is completely dependent on Italy)? How about economic control? If a country is completely owned by foreign individuals and companies, is that country occupied?

    TGIA, did the Soviet Union occupy all of Eastern Europe between 1945 and 1989? Did China occupy North Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s (when China maintained a 130,000 troop level inside North Vietnam . . . or a rotation about perhaps a million soldiers)? Did South Korea occupy South Vietnam because it sent 312,853 troops to South Vietnam. Actual troop strenght was about 50,000 troops with multiple rotations over decade (All the South Kroean troops were volunteers. About 5,000 of them died in combat in Vietnam, and nearly 11,000 were injured or wounded.) Did Australia occupy South Vietnam (Vietnam was Australia's second largest war ever after WWII, with 60,000 Australians serving,  521 killed and more than 3,000 wounded.)

    Does America control Qatar and Al Jazeera, because the US military has a large base there (a long term US military presence that Al Jazeera tacitly supports by refusing to criticize it?)

    Is Congo occupied because about 20,000 UN peacekeepers lead by India are based there, and engaging in active combat? {Indian air force provides tactical air support for the UN force in Congo.} The UN has repeatedly (and I believe unanimously) requested countries to contribute to this force.

    Is Haiti occupied by the UN forces (lead by Brazil)?

    Does the UN authorized ISAF force occupy Afghanistan. The UNSC (UN Security Council) has repeatedly passed unanimous resolutions asking countries to contribute to ISAF. ISAF is in Afghanistan at the request of its elected government.

    The UN authorized NATO lead troops are in Kosovo and Bosnia at the request of those governments. The UN has unanimously requested countries to contribute to it.

    The UN authorized African Union force in Darfur is not liked by the Sudanese government. Does that mean that the UN troops in Darfur are occupation troops? {The UN sent them there with US logistical and air support to stop the genocide of black Darfur muslims by Sunni Arab Janjaweed.}

    TGIA, could you perhaps summarize some cases that are occupation, and others that are large long term military bases or missions but are not occupations?

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  19. flemingOctober 29, 2009 at 4:53 AM

    "Were America's founding fathers immoral for demanding a French invasion and occupation of America..."

    HAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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  20. thankgodimatheistOctober 29, 2009 at 5:17 AM

    <span>r.s. what if a country wants to be occupied by another country? Were the East Timurese immoral for wanting a lenghty foreign occupation of their country (by the UN)?</span>
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    Geez anan!!
    Obviously they wanted them for protection not to be RULED by UN. If you don't see the difference then there's something seriously wrong with you!

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  21. thankgodimatheistOctober 29, 2009 at 5:18 AM

    <span><span>r.s. what if a country wants to be occupied by another country? Were the East Timurese immoral for wanting a lenghty foreign occupation of their country (by the UN)?</span> 
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    Geez anan!! 
    Obviously they wanted them for protection not to be RULED by them . If you don't see the difference then there's something seriously wrong with your cognition!</span>

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  22. ananOctober 29, 2009 at 7:54 AM

    If not for France, Spain, and the Netherlands, America wouldn't have become independent. Other countries did most of the fighting for American freedom. For that matter, the Marathas and Mysure nations in India simultaneously went to war with England in 1775-1784, tying down many thousands of British troops in India. Catherine the Great's hostile neutrality also helped America.

    We Americans were freed by foreigners, uncomfortable though that makes us feel.

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  23. DancingOpossumOctober 29, 2009 at 8:33 AM

    There you go again, making fleming's head explode by introducing him to facts. If y'all are going to keep doing this at least have a bucket and mop handy.

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