Deadly gun battle in Gaza mosque
At least 13 people have been killed and at least 85 injured in a fierce gun battle in Gaza, emergency services say.
Eyewitnesses say hundreds of Hamas fighters and policemen surrounded a mosque where followers of a radical Islamist cleric were holed up.
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Why is that getting more attention?
ReplyDelete1. No white people are being killed.
2. There is no oil in Gaza.
Oh baloney, It is all over the news. I have read about it in quite a few news sources. Uh Oh. Did the CIA invent this group, too?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/15/hamas-battle-gaza-islamists-al-qaida
It has NOT been all over the news. I regularly look aat about half a dozen news sites and I saw only one short story about it. Of course, if you are already following news from Gaza and know the sites that cover events there, it may seem that it's all over the news. But for anyone not familiar with the situation there, it is unlikely that they will stumble across relevant news...and it is a damn shame that the only time news about the Mideast hits the mainstream media is when white people are killed. If this story got the attention it deserved, then there wouldn't be all these hijackings and suicide attacks...and I don't support these attacks, but I understand them.
ReplyDeleteJoe, the news is being discussed all all over the national security community in many countries.
ReplyDeleteThe America public isn't interested in the war on terror or foreign countries any more. This is why the US press does not cover it. The US press is more interested in Michael Jackson and the other latest celebrity stories. To a lesser degree they are covering the economy and health care.
Joe, the real question is why aren't you worked up about the latest terrorist attack on russia today:
ReplyDeletehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_caucasus_violence
It might have been Al Qaeda although we don't know yet.
How about Al Qaeda's attempt to assasinate the President of Indonesia about a week ago (one of Al Qaeda's top lietenants since the 1990s was killed when the plot was disrupted by the Indonesian police.)
How about Al Qaeda's tape threatening to attack China a week ago.
All of them should have gotten more coverage.
Al Qaeda linked networks must be stopped. We must not forget that muslims dislike them and fight them more than nonmuslims do. 87% of Pakistanis believe that terrorism is never justified, or a higher percentage than Israelis, Americans or even Indians. Muslims are more anti terrorist than nonmuslims.
"<span>If this story got the attention it deserved, then there wouldn't be all these hijackings and suicide attacks...and I don't support these attacks, but I understand them.</span>" I don't understand what you are implying. Do you understand why Al Qaeda try to mass murder fellow muslims because they are insufficently "pure" or because they are "lesser muslims"?
That's just a few!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081502192.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/08/14/gaza.clashes/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/world/middleeast/15gaza.html
http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/aug/15/hamas-battles-islamists-at-mosque-13-are-killed/news-nation-world/
Joe, what is your mindless meaningless obsession with oil. Oil doesn't get that much coverage. Oil is becoming increasingly obsolete as an energy source with new energy technologies. The percentage of global energy needs that are provided by oil is dropping rapidly.
ReplyDeleteThe booming Chinese, Indian and Indonesian economies get much more coverage. Break free of your bubble.
"<span> No white people are being killed. </span>" Couldn't have said it better myself. So incredibly disgusting.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-gaza-hamas15-2009aug15,0,3407955.story
ReplyDeletehttp://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/13+killed+in+gaza+mosque+gun+battle/3309557
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=8339090
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32428162
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/14/ap/middleeast/main5242296.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody
It was in the news on Friday and Saturday. maybe you just missed it!
ReplyDeleteOne word answer - expediency.
ReplyDeleteThis was covered by British TV news stations. It left me puzzling - if Gaza is/was an emirate who is the emir?
ReplyDeletevza:
ReplyDeleteCheck out the front page of the web sites you reference and you will see my point. The stories are buried deep in the world news section. If you don't go out of the way tolook for news about Palestine everyday, it would be missed
anand:
ReplyDeleteYou are right: I am not following the news from Russia or Indonesia. I guess that makes me a bad person in your mind. I'll have to learn to live with the shame.
I wasn't trying to imply anything. I was hoping I wrote clearly enough. I'll try to make my point this way: Leadership in former colonies is corrupted and bullied into being lackeys. Peaceful protests are either crushed. Voices of reason are ignored. Groups like AQ rise to influence more by default than by anything else.
And when I mentioned oil, I was merely giving a common sense answer of why this story is getting buried. Do you really think if this battle happenned in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, it would not have received front page coverage? Oil may be obsolete in 100 years, but until then there is billions, probably trillions of dollars that will be made off it.
Osama Bin Laden is the emir (supreme leader) of all the groups that have pledged themselves to him. This alliance use to be called "International Islamic Front." The largest Indonsian, Philipino, Thailand, Kashmiri, Algerian, Egyptian, anti Shia/anti Iranian militant groups have declared Osama Bin Laden their emir.
ReplyDeleteSome groups in Palestine have as well. This Musa <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"MIGHT"</span> be one of them. He could also be an Al Qaeda affiliated group that has not pledged fealty to OBL but is allied with it. I am not positive which category Musa falls in. Either Musa or Osama Bin Laden would be the emir.
Mara, I looked at your piece. You should be suspicious of Western written articles that look at AQ through Western ethnocentric goggles. Many of these types are so arrogant that they cannot concieve that there are many currents in the world that do not derive from the omnipotent west. {Many of the right share this dysfunctionality with the left.} The <span style="text-decoration: underline;">"darkies"</span> are much more powerful and capable than too many pretentious westerners feel comfortable admitting.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it is true that the international community (Europe, North America, China, Japan, muslim world, Israel) 1980s supported Takfiri extremists in Pakistan and Afghansitan. The world has paid a very heavy price for misjudgements from the 1980s.
"<span>Do you really think if this battle happenned in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, it would not have received front page coverage?</span>" Yes. I think the US press covers "Al Qaeda" more than oil. The global business press, however, would give an attack on KSA more coverage.
ReplyDelete"<span>Groups like AQ rise to influence more by default than by anything else.</span>" To a degree, but do not underestimate the appeal of religious ideology. Many faiths genuintely believe that earthly mortal transient pleasures are infitismal compared to the bliss of the transcendent. Do not undersestimate the motivational appeal of "paradise."
<span> Yes. I think the US press covers "Al Qaeda" more than oil. The global business press, however, would give an attack on KSA more coverage.
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You don't happen to remember a few years back a bunch of coverage about "the rape of Kuwait" by Iraq which led up to Desert Storm, do you? Now THAT was all over the news.
<span> Do not undersestimate the motivational appeal of "paradise."</span>
I don't, especially when their corrupt secular leaders offer nothing but misery in this world.
The powerful Kuwaiti, Saudi, Gulf Arab lobbies pushed the stories. They desperately wanted US and international help to deal with Saddam. Remember, they thought that the Iraqi armed forces were much better quality than they really were.
ReplyDeleteSchwartzcov really thought that scores or hundreds of US aircraft could be shot down in the opening hours of the war. The Iraqi Air Force and air defense looked very good on paper. Saddam's army had some 4,000 tanks, even more armored fighting vehicles. Lots of top of the line artillery. It looked good on paper. {Even though it turned out to be lower quality than the new IA is now.}
<span>The powerful Kuwaiti, Saudi, Gulf Arab lobbies pushed the stories. </span>
ReplyDeleteMaybe you can refresh my memory. How did Kuwait, etc. get to be states in the first place? Who made them states? Who chose those particular royal families to rule over that particular piece of real estate? And whose interests do those lobbies represent?
Video on this story: http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2009/08/2009816142248608826.html
ReplyDeleteOff topic, but important I think:
ReplyDeleteAbout a dozen people carrying guns, including one with an AR-15 assault rifle, milled among protesters outside an event where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday in Phoenix.
It's the latest incident of gun-rights advocates visibly displaying firearms near the president.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/17/man-carrying-semi-automat_n_261279.html
If one of these nuts shoots Obama, then I am afraid that it will spark of some pretty bad stuff-somewhere between the Civil War and the Sixties.
Joe, what kind of shooting incident do you think it would take to start some sort of cracking down on guns in this country?
ReplyDeleteI really don't think it is possible to "crack down" on guns in any meaningful way. There are too many guns, too many gun lovers, and too much money involved. Plus, even if there was gun control passed, who is going to turn in their guns to the government? And who is going to risk their life going to confiscate the guns?
ReplyDeleteBut I think America's love affair with guns is going to come back and bite us in the ass. It wasn't clear(to me) if both pro and anti Obama groups were armed, or if it was just the anti Obama ones. Once bullets start flying, the mood the country is in-and the deep divisions within it-well I am not very optimistic.
I have no idea why some of these are showing up more than once. Sorry. *DONT_KNOW*
ReplyDeleteSee what a real american thinks about gun control, Molly.
ReplyDeleteFYI, I received emails with this video link twice in 24 hours. People LOVE it, and love Ted!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
<span>See what a real american thinks..</span>
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Only answer...Kiss my derriere fleming!
Joe, Molly and anand aren't real Americans...fleming is..His ancestors made thiat country! They owned slaves and ruled over plantations...
ReplyDeleteSeriously Joe? Palestine should be front and center of US news on a daily basis? You may want to rethink that.....
ReplyDeleteThis is America, and we have our own issues, need you be reminded. Thugs killing thugs in some nasty shithole happens everyday in just about every major US city. Do you realize rapes and murders occur every day in the US that dont get national news coverage? Sure, its because the victims were "people of color" in a white controlled media world, right? Or perhaps a conspiracy by the global elite/Israeli lobby/NRA/wall street/blah blah blah...
While its true that some of my ancestors were slave owners and had plantations, not all were. I apologize for nothing on behalf of people that are long dead
ReplyDeleteOne doesnt have to have family back that far to be a real american. I dont know what Ted N's family background is, for example. But his principles are pure american.
I made no connection to plantations and being a real american, did I TGIA? Gosh, looks like you are the one putting words in other people's mouth.....So sorry, you lose.
Wtf, Fleming, I'm not a real American because I believe in gun control?
ReplyDeleteFlemming sometimes has a point, like in the above comment. It isn't the job of the US press to cover Palestine. If Palestinians want coverage, they need to set up a powerful lobby.
ReplyDeletePretty much Molly :)
ReplyDeleteActually, it goes well beyond guns. "Real Americans" believe the govt should be involved in their daily lives as little as possible. That the govt does not have the right to tell me I cant own a gun, or that I have to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle. As an example: I dont ride motorcycles, and if I did I would wear a helmet. But I dont believe its the govt business whether I do or not.
See Molly? Its well beyond guns. Its about getting the govt out of our lives. Its a philosophy, a mindset. Its none of the govt's business.
Come on say it fleming!! She's not a real American because she's a JEW!! Anand is not a real American because he's Indian!! Joe is a Jew, not a real American. V too is a bit Jew too! Can't be real Americans!! Until they all have ancestors who have owned slaves and plantations, they should wait to be be the real thing...Americans!!
ReplyDeleteYes we got it! Only right wings are real Americans!
ReplyDelete<span>As an example: I dont ride motorcycles, and if I did I would wear a helmet.</span>
ReplyDeleteYou may as well go ahead and ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you feel so strongly about it. And ignore speed limits too while you're at it-they're un-American also. And if you get in an accident and smash your head, it can only be an improvement in your case.
Yes I lose fleming..I don't have your genius, being the idiot that I am. But I am going to tell one thing.."Real Americans" the way you define them can collectively kiss my ass :) !
ReplyDeleteDios los crÃa y ellos se juntan.
ReplyDeleteJoey-girl getting frothy... :)
ReplyDeleteYou just dont get it Joe. You really dont. Speed limits protect other drivers. Not so with helmets. If people want to take that risk, they should be able to. Its because of excessive litigation practicies and public healthcare costs they cant. Ridiculous.
Collectively, we will most certainly tell you to shove it, tgia. And we mean that sincerely.
ReplyDeleteI see where you are still selectively "editing" my posts - aka, deleting ones you dont like.
That is fine. It just confirms A) What a total punk you are B) What it takes to truly annoy you (not much, just dispute anything about Palestine)
You and your fellow compatriots remain deeply, deeply unliked and loathed by all "real americans". I predict the fortunes of your people will not change for at least the next 10,000 years.
Yeesh, can you not tell when something is a personal put down and not a serious comment on issues? Personally, I have other things to worry about than if some idiot wants to race around on a motorcycle without a helmet. And by the way, the Autobahn doesn't have a speed limit. Why not do that with part of our interstate system? If you want to try to drive from New York to Chicago in three hours instead of wasting time at the airport, you could go on the no speed limit highway and take your chances.
ReplyDeleteGeesh Joey, can you not tell when something is about the principles and not the specific issues?
ReplyDeleteBTW, the autoban has very few exits and is most unlike our interstates. So you think building an entirely new interstate system for speeders is a good use of tax payer dollars/
Fer Chrissakes, I wasn't proposing a plan to rebuild the highway system-I was just making the point that I have no problem with people having as much freedom as possible. That's why I am for things like nationalized health-because they will give more real freedom to more people...but there is no point explaining that to you.
ReplyDeleteHumm Helmets ?
ReplyDeleteYou should only have to wear a helmet if you've got something to protect.
Americans don't have one particular POV. Who the hell are you to say who's an American and who's not? So all the people who voted for Obama (a majority, obviously) are pretenders? In fact real Americans are a minority, then. If you want to get the govt. out of people's lives, you must also: legalize abortion and gay marriage and ban medicare which no gun are willing to do. How many massacres must take place before we realize the gun worship is killing children, gym goers, church goers, museum goers, to name but a few massacres that happened in the last few months...
ReplyDeleteSurely you have seen and understand this, Molly: "Guns dont kill people. People do." Utterly true.
ReplyDeleteJoe: Oh yes, nationalized health care will give people more freedom to....take money from those who have some and "give it" to those who dont. That's your idea of more freedom, isnt it Joe? Freedom for the govt to "allocate resources" in the fairest manner, right? 90% of people already have health care, and 82% like what they have. "Nationalized Healthcare" is just a trojan horse to redistribute wealth. This is why the town halls are so contentious.
Molly, Obama didnt campaign on a platform of gun control for a very good reason. The majoirty of americans dont support it.
Abortion is already legal. HELLO? What people dont want is the govt paying for it! Gay marriage should be decided on a state by state basis. The US govt should not be involved.
If somebody at Vtech had had a gun, that turd who went on the killing spree might have been shot dead before he killed so many. Besides owning a gun being a constiutional right, its also too late. Do you want to outlaw hunting too Molly? That will not go over well - at all. And of course, if you take the guns, only psychos and criminals will have them. Does that sound like a good plan to you?