Former Israeli Army Chief of Staff, Dan Halutz, stated Sunday that Israel had tried to assassinate Hezbollah leader, Hasan Nasrallah, during the war against Lebanon in 2006.
In a TV interview, Halutz stated that Israel tried to assassinate Nasrallah but all of its efforts were met with failure.
He did not provide details on such attempts, but he was most likely referring to August 13 when Israel repeatedly shelled Al Dahiya Al Janoubiyya area using heavy bombs that are capable of penetrating fortified walls.
He slammed the media coverage of the war and said that the freedom of press transformed the coverage of the war to chaos, especially since the heavily and well equipped army was being defeated by Hezbollah fighters, and could not brag about achievements".
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"In a TV interview, Halutz stated that Israel tried to assassinate Nasrallah but all of its efforts were met with failure.
ReplyDeleteHe did not provide details on such attempts, but he was most likely referring to August 13 when Israel repeatedly shelled Al Dahiya Al Janoubiyya area using heavy bombs that are capable of penetrating fortified walls.
At least twenty heavy bombs were fired at the area and the shelling was considered the most concentrated shelling in the war.
Halutz added that the army dropped 20 tons of explosive in shelling homes and constructions in Al Rweis neighborhood in Al Dahiya Al Janoubiyya.
Halutz had to submit his resignation directly after the war as his army failed to achieve any of its objectives, including freeing Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah.
He slammed the media coverage of the war and said that the freedom of press transformed the coverage of the war to chaos, especially since the heavily and well equipped army was being defeated by Hezbollah fighters, and could not brag about achievements".
I've wondered why it's so LONESOME here at AACS :
ReplyDeletethe site should be AWASH in 'Angry Arabs' what with centuries of Western domination,and the lowly Jews kicking Arab ass.
But all you've got here is a couple of Lefties,and an occassional failed Jew > Even your Zionist, and pro-American visitors have drifted away.
Could the problem be Marxist body odor ?
( Nothing stinks like rotten ideology ).
It's lonesome because the comments keep disappearing!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3946
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13697274
Interesting stories
Flake off zit, we do not need to hear from pieces of shit being flushed down the toilet on their way out...lol
ReplyDeleteAs far as halutz is concerned, there is nothing better than a good war crimes tribunal with teeth for assholes like this. Or we could just throw him off a high roof when he visits Harvard -
ReplyDeleteTHE BOYS FROM ISRAEL AND HARVARD
http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-5_cy-2007_m-5_d-17_y-2007_o-0.html
I AM BANNED! :)
ReplyDeleteI AM BANNED! :)
I AM BANNED! :)
I AM BANNED! :)
leper
ReplyDeleteHas the ban been lifted? Is my voice no longer being squelched? My goodness, free at last, free at last, thank god almightly, free at last!
ReplyDeletethe site should be AWASH in 'Angry Arabs'
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I've got little story for you "dead-shit"
An Arab , waited over 100 years to avenge his murdered grand father.
He was criticised by his whole tribe for being unduly quick .
YOU SHALL NEVER KNOW PIECE. :-D
and an occassional failed Jew
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What is a failed Jew? And oh! What is a successful Jew?
It's lonesome because the comments keep disappearing!
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Molly
Again?! I can't see why!!! Do they disappear long after you posted them or straight away. I'd like to know. I may email them. But for me they never disappear!
Yeah that's why we can see your posts!! Genius!
ReplyDeleteYou haven't been banned. You were on the old list which was still effective without me noticing. There has been a reshuffle from Haloscan to JS-kit. A long story..
ReplyDeleteYeah that's why we can see your posts!! Genius!
ReplyDeleteYou might be right! I just posted a comment saying that I'm not aware of any problems but it disappeared! I talked too fast! Bummer
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Mike in Texas
ReplyDeleteYou don't have to keep changing nics buddy! I can see your IP adress anyway, genius.
He must have been looking in the mirror when he spoke about a "failed Jew"...LOL Unfortunately we have an entire state of failed Jews called Israel currently
ReplyDeleteFleming, you would not know what "freedom" was if it came and bit you on the nose
ReplyDeleteHere is how failed jews act -
ReplyDeletehttp://maxblumenthal.com/2009/06/gambling-with-conflict-how-settlers-and-a-california-casino-king-control-israeli-policy/
You are BRAGGING about this VAA? So 100 years later some dude kills an innocent person for something his grandfather did, and you take pride in that?
ReplyDeleteThat shit doesnt wash in the USA. I mean, look at two of our biggest allies - Germany and Japan. 60 years ago we were killing each other by the thousands.
If that truly is the nature of your culture, well....Obama can make all the speeches he wants. The west/USA will never have compatability with such.
"Zionist, and pro-American"
ReplyDeleteThere's no such thing
That shit doesnt wash in the USA.
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Oh shut up fleming! Giving us lessons when your "culture" went to war against a country seeking revenge for a crime that country had absolutely nothing to do with!! Now that doesn't wash in our "culture"..Capish?!
Good grief. Fleming is right., VAA. I hope that was just a joke because that is not something worth bragging about. Backwards and just plain sick.
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Shut up fleming! No lessons from you or your culture which went to war against another country seeking revenge for a crime that country had absolutely nothing to do with!! That is your culture o superior one!
That shit doesnt wash in the USA.
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Shut up fleming! No lessons from you or your culture which went to war against another country seeking revenge for a crime that country had absolutely nothing to do with!! That is your culture and that doesn't wash in there too!
You preaching people make me feel like vomiting!! Your country in the name of your culture waged a war against another country seeking revenge for a crime the said country has absolutely NOTHING to do with and you're giving VAA a lesson about morals and values? Is this a joke?
ReplyDeleteDid anyone see this? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/us/03nuke.html?_r=2&th&emc=th
ReplyDeleteThe day we would be asking for lessons in morals and values we wouldn't be looking towards the USA, you can be assured! You lied, you cheated, you killed and you occasionally brag about it too.
ReplyDeleteIn regard to attacking VAA - I am sure it is better (as TGIA said) to lie and quickly kill over a million people. You know, it is ghastly, this immense moral darkness of the mass murderers that take offense of one private revenge. Simply amazing
ReplyDeleteMEMORY, INEQUALITY AND POWER: PALESTINE AND THE UNIVERSALITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS, LECTURE BY EDWARD SAID, BERKLEY, FEB. 19TH, 2003
ReplyDeleteAs was pointed out TGIA, our cultures apparently have little to nothing in common. So I suppose no need to wonder why we support whom we do, and why we oppose whom we do.
ReplyDeleteYou are giving an emotional context to the iraq war for which you have no evidence. Really, it is only what you personally surmise. Surely you recognize that the decision to go to Iraq went far beyond an individual's personal vendetta. The issue was debated and voted upon by both houses of congress.
What few talk about now is the great uncertainty at the time. 9-11 was a boldly successful attack. Afterwards, many scenarios that had been given little chance of coming to fruition before had to be seriously re-considered at a higher level of probability. Thus, the rogue regime of Saddam's, combined with the vicious, capable and determined and STATELESS Al-queda, was suddenly much scarier, Combined with AQ's KNOWN DESIRE to deliver bio/chemical/nuclear WMDs to our shores, we chose to take action. Would something have happened? Impossible to know. Afterall, if somebody had killed Hitler in 1935 we might still be bemoaning the "unfair assassination" of a charismatic leader rather than deeming him one of the world's greatest villains.
If you want to defend the act VAA described above, that is your call. It certainly would not be viewed as anyting other than a criminal act here in the US. Once again, it seems the stark differences in our cultures may be impossible to ignore or ever reconcile.
After everything thing has been said and done (and you finding justifications for the unjustifiable,) in my eyes and the eyes of most of the world, you remain a bunch of cowards who would rather take it on to the week and the feeble and never to anyone who's your match or a considerable threat to you!! You can protest and object untill you're blue in the face is not going to change anything to this impression. Not our fault but your cowardly acts and deeds.
ReplyDeleteI take immense pride in holding positions that are considerably antagonistic to yours and espousing values that are contrary to yours and I have less shame in my faults and foibles and than you should have for the very subject of your pride being a bully and a coward!
After everything thing has been said and done (and you finding justifications for the unjustifiable,) in my eyes and the eyes of most of the world, you remain a bunch of cowards who would rather take it on to the weak and the feeble and never to anyone who's your match or a considerable threat to you!! You can protest and object until you're blue in the face is not going to change anything to this impression. Not our fault but your cowardly acts and deeds.
ReplyDeleteI take immense pride in holding positions that are considerably antagonistic to yours and espousing values that are contrary to yours and I have less shame in my faults and foibles and than you should have for the very subject of your pride being a bully and a coward!
As for me defending VAA, it's because I take it as a severe case of hyperbole and not a real story. And if any of those traditions persist it's in a remote history of tribal mythology that has no ground in reality since long time ago.
After everything thing has been said and done (and you finding justifications for the unjustifiable,) in my eyes and the eyes of most of the world, you remain a bunch of cowards who would rather take it on to the weak and the feeble and never to anyone who's your match or a considerable threat to you!! You can protest and object until you're blue in the face is not going to change anything to this impression. Not our fault but your cowardly acts and deeds.
ReplyDeleteI take immense pride in holding positions that are considerably antagonistic to yours and espousing values that are contrary to yours and I have less shame in my faults and foibles and than you should have for the very subject of your pride being a bully and a coward!
As for me defending VAA, it's because I take it as a joke...a severe case of hyperbole and not a real story. And if any of those traditions persist it's in a remote history of tribal mythology that has no ground in reality since long time ago.
Just one more thing. A guy waits 100 years(!) to take revenge and you believe the story is real?
The joke is on you people!!
No one is laughing tgia, that is the problem.
ReplyDeleteCall me a coward, who cares. Challenge the men and women of our armed services with such a charge, it matters. Course, you would NEVER personally do so to their faces. Of that I am quite sure.
If we are such cowarrds, as a nation, why then do we not use our "full resources"? No one could stop us. We dont need to send our troops into harm's way. All that is required is pressing a few buttons and our enemies are completely vanquished. The TRUTH is, we have courageously and bravely defended western vaues and cultures around the world, with our people and our treasure, where few others dared. You overestimate our patience and our tolerance though, and that may be your undoing.
Look, we are going to win in the end. We have the power, we have the technology, we have the might, we have the resources, etc. Push us far enough and the only thing currently lacking, THE WILL TO WIN, no matter the cost, shall be there. All this is just delaying the inevitable.
I hope that was just a joke
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You hear a story about a guy who waited 100 years to take revenge and you just hope it's a joke?? How many yearsa this modern Methusalem could have lived then?
Fuck you and fuck your armed forces that you keep bragging about! Happy now?
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ReplyDelete"As for me defending VAA, it's because I take it as a joke...a severe case of hyperbole and not a real story. And if any of those traditions persist it's in a remote history of tribal mythology that has no ground in reality since long time ago.
Just one more thing. A guy waits 100 years(!) to take revenge and you believe the story is real?
The joke is on you people!!
Obviously, we did not take the joke literally just as VAA did not mean it to be. However, the meaning enclosed within the joke.... of blood revenge..even after years IS very real and is still practiced in REALITY. There are cases of it among the Bedouin, for example. Do the research and you will find it is not as uncommon as you think.
Not so funny and not much of a joke, tgia. It IS backward whether it is practiced by Bedouin, or Sicilians, or the Hatfields and McCoys in rural America a while ago.
<p style="text-align: justify; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span> <span style=" line-height: 120%; font-family: Verdana;">"Families consider revenge a ghost that threatens them, as any family member could be killed in the name of revenge even if he was not directly involved in any crime."</span></span>
ReplyDelete<p style="text-align: justify; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span> <span style=" line-height: 120%; font-family: Verdana;">Such revenge killings rise in eastern governorates including Mareb, Al-Jawf, Shabwa, Sa'ada, Dhamar and Amaran.</span></span>
<p style="text-align: justify; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span> <span style=" line-height: 120%; font-family: Verdana;">In revenge cases, if the wanted person is not found, then the killer's son or relative is the first target for any revenge attempt. Tribal people consider it to be a long-lasting shame if they do not take revenge from the enemy's family."</span></span>
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http://www.yemenpost.net/27/Reports/20081.htm
<p style="text-align: justify; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span> <span style=" line-height: 120%; font-family: Verdana;">"Hassen Al Shahabi, 25 years of age, fled his village Shehab in Al-Baidha province 18 years ago seeking shelter from revenge between his family and Ma'udah family. He further narrates that one day he was returning home with his father from Rada'a few days before Eid Al-Adha – some 17 years from now – when a 14-year boy asked them to take him to a nearby area. </span></span>
ReplyDelete<p style="text-align: justify; direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed;"><span> <span style=" line-height: 120%; font-family: Verdana;">After sometime, the boy told my father to stop and immediately fired the gun at him causing his death. He then handed me a small piece of paper telling me that this was in revenge of his killed father."</span></span>
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http://www.yemenpost.net/27/Reports/20081.htm
This is the mentalty that TGIA and VAA defend. The concept of revenge taken out on family members was long abandoned by the mainstream here in the US. There are probably a few Hatfield and McCoy situations out there, but they are the exception, not the rule. The rule of law, in fact, prohibits, and even punsihses 'revenge' killings. Thus it is a measure of a country's progress whether such antiquated and backward practices are still endorsed/favored.
ReplyDeleteHey TGIA, you aint nothing but a left wing/anti-US wingnut. So what. Least Im not a potty-mouth.... =-O
vza, Fleming
ReplyDeleteI'm astonished you've taken what was supposed to be a nasty joke to (cruel nasty and absurd) as a serious response.
But never mind that , what's intriguing is your solidarity with cruel and nasty,there is a covert connection.
I would've happily accepted criticism if it was due,but come on.Do you really think either of you are in any moral position to criticise anyone ..anyone ?
vza:I'll tell you what's sick ? the reach of the American evil to every corner of the world ,the mass murder ,the exodus caused by your government's foreign policies ,the wild American support to such policies.the continuous lies being told,the unmitigated ignorance / stupidity in the US.The continuous genocide by the US Zionist client in Palestine .This what sick is.So you and Fleming have till the end of time to reflect on these crimes so committed, neither of you once denounce any of them.
Fleming:Obama can make all the speeches he wants,the true intention is clear.altough I do find it funny and stupid of Fleming to include the west and US in the same basket. One has evolved while the other hasn't.
So spare me both your BS and keep it to yourselves as a reminder.
BTW:You both missed the punch line of the made up story which is "patience you'll get your day".
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ReplyDelete<span style="color: #404040;">we are going to win in the end.</span>
Not so fast,we've just started.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5yf1u_iraqi-resistance-hellfire_news
That's right. It's Iraqi resistance not insurgency.
Dont be silly VAA. Morality was not at issue. Its about Rule of law and moving beyond tribal or other ancient allegiances. Like the USA has done, with its Constitution and a truly heterogeneous society.
ReplyDeleteI cant speak for vza, but dont waste your time trying to peddle such garbage with me. Keep in mind that Obama is one guy, with a limited term. He can declare we are not at war with Islam in every speech. But in 4 years, if things have not improved and/or security situation has deteriorated, he will be gone and somebody new will be in office who may have entirely different sensibilities. For your sake, you should hope that doesnt happen.
"So spare me both your BS and keep it to yourselves as a reminder.
ReplyDeleteBTW:You both missed the punch line of the made up story which is "patience you'll get your day".
Oh I did not miss your intent at all or the punchline, VAA. It was a perfect joke to use but as I posted above, it really is not a joke is it? That revenge mentality is very much in practice and where it is practiced, the place is usually backward.
Spare me your indignation. I could turn the question right back at you. Who are YOU to judge anyone's moral position to criticize?
<span style="color: #404040;">Thus it is a measure of a country's progress whether such antiquated and backward practices are still endorsed/favored.</span>
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You're really are an idiot.
Amazing hubris displayed in this pontification about the "rule of law," which is nothing but the law of rule - or better, the rape of law protected by these blog reprobate troglidytes. Who sit in a world of isolation being fed and feasting upon bullshit and than having the temerity to regugitate their "positions" here. It just displays the complete absense of sense in even the smallest and simplist of matters. Decrying tribalism while practicing global tribalism of the worst sort, repeating lies like the little brain washed Nazis that they are - there is no "progress" with you and your sentiments.
ReplyDeleteSupport US troops,they're Flemings measure of progress.
ReplyDeleteIn the Photo:an alleged Gang rape by US troops of an Iraqi detainee.
http://palestinianpundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/photos-of-us-soldiers-alleged-rape.html#links
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That revenge mentality is very much in practice and where it is practiced, the place is usually backward.
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We can always count on you to bring isolated insignificant cases like the above to the limelight as proof that in this region of the world this despicable archaic concept of revenge is a real cultural issue in our societies. Hearing you lining up with the nauseating and abject fleming who wallows in the idea that we're so differnt from you civilised people and thus justifying you wars of agression against our people is enough a surprise when it actually shouldn't anymore!
That revenge mentality is very much in practice and where it is practiced, the place is usually backward.
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We can always count on you to bring isolated insignificant cases like the above to the limelight as proof that in this region of the world this despicable archaic concept of revenge is a real cultural issue in our societies. Hearing you lining up with the nauseating and abject fleming who wallows in the idea that we're so differnt from you civilised people and thus justifying you wars of agression against our people is enough a surprise when it actually shouldn't anymore!
What started as a joke is obviously enough for you both, using different approaches true, but nevertheless with the same idea in mind. I find this completely beyond the pale, but one gotta do what one gotta do. You both have an agenda in mind using different tactics but sadly the intention is the same.
There is nothing worse than idiots who fancy themselves as apologists - and completely undo themselves with their non-factual agenda. Why this is a suprise coming from these characters is a mystery to me...lol
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Don't kid yourself and differentiate between morality and the rule of law,they're strongly connected.and in both you failed miserably.
Almost everything the US does is immoral and therefore illegal.Example,
the infamous Highway of death in the first Iraq's war in 1991 were US warplanes trapped the long convoys of withdrawing Iraqi troops "in compliance with UN resolution 660" by disabling vehicles in the front, and at the rear, and then pounded the resulting traffic jams for hours. "It was like shooting fish in a barrel".The massacre of withdrawing Iraqi soldiers violates the Geneva Conventions of 1949, Common Article 3.
Your history is full of such immoralities / crimes, THE IMPLOSION OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE IS CLOSER THAN YOU THINK.Just keep following the herd ,you won't get lost, there are signposts everywhere.
So like I said before keep your BS.
vza
ReplyDeleteI could turn the question right back at you. Who are YOU to judge anyone's moral position to criticise?
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I'm and have being on the receiving end of your high moral values , lies ,deception,hypocrisy,interference in free election,racism ,murder and genocide, to name just few ,for as long as I can remember.
Lest I forgive.
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"We can always count on you to bring isolated insignificant cases like the above to the limelight as proof that in this region of the world this despicable archaic concept of revenge is a real cultural issue in our societies.
ReplyDeleteIsolated insignificant cases? Sorry, with all respect, you are really ignorant on this matter. Your response is as ridiculous as if I denied the gang killings in the U. S. And I did not just point put that it happens in the Arab world. (What the hell was that, this region? You live in Australia! (One of the U.S.'s greatest allies. Hmmm,.. How do you square that with your morally superior sensiblities?)
You have decided, with great storm and fury, that you are correct and we, depraved cowards that we are, from a depraved cowardly nation, are wrong and have no moral right to critique.
Right.
Rule # 1: No deviation from the party line or you are a worthless human being with no moral standing...especially if you belong to the morally depraved countries of the U.S. and Israel.
Rule # 2: Questioning cultural practices that have a negative impact on the devlopment of civil society and law is absolutely forbidden UNLESS the practices can in some twisted, convoluted way be blamed on the U.S. or Israel. ( I got it! Vendettas in Sicily can be blamed on the Allied invasion of Sicily during the War!) Yes! Let's see the THOUSANDS who live in fear of blood feuds in Albania must be able to pin that on Reagan somehow and his Tear down that Wall, speech!)
Rule # 3 Disregard rule # 2 when it comes to the cultures of the U.S. and Israel. Absolutely fair game.
Sigh.
"We can always count on you to bring isolated insignificant cases like the above to the limelight as proof that in this region of the world this despicable archaic concept of revenge is a real cultural issue in our societies.
ReplyDeleteIsolated insignificant cases? Sorry, with all respect, you are really ignorant on this matter. Your response is as ridiculous as if I denied the gang killings in the U. S. And I did not just point put that it happens in the Arab world. (What the hell was that, this region? You live in Australia! (One of the U.S.'s greatest allies. Hmmm,.. How do you square that with your morally superior sensiblities?)
You have decided, with great storm and fury, that you are correct and we, depraved cowards that we are, from a depraved cowardly nation, are wrong and have no moral right to critique.
Right.
Rule # 1: No deviation from the party line or you are a worthless human being with no moral standing...especially if you belong to the morally depraved countries of the U.S. and Israel.
Rule # 2: Questioning cultural practices that have a negative impact on the devlopment of civil society and law is absolutely forbidden UNLESS the practices can in some twisted, convoluted way be blamed on the U.S. or Israel. (I got it! Vendettas in Sicily can be blamed on the Allied invasion of Sicily during the War!) Yes! Let's see... the THOUSANDS who live in fear of blood feuds in Albania must be able to pin that on Reagan somehow and his Tear down that Wall, speech!)
Rule # 3 Disregard rule # 2 when it comes to the cultures of the U.S. and Israel. Absolutely fair game.
Sigh.
"We can always count on you to bring isolated insignificant cases like the above to the limelight as proof that in this region of the world this despicable archaic concept of revenge is a real cultural issue in our societies.
ReplyDeleteIsolated insignificant cases? Sorry, with all respect, you are really ignorant on this matter. Your response is as ridiculous as if I denied the gang killings in the U. S. And I did not just point out that it happens in the Arab world. (What the hell was that, this region? You live in Australia! (One of the U.S.'s greatest allies. Hmmm,.. How do you square that with your morally superior sensiblities?)
You have decided, with great storm and fury, that you are correct and we, depraved cowards that we are, from a depraved cowardly nation, are wrong and have no moral right to critique.
Right.
Rule # 1: No deviation from the party line or you are a worthless human being with no moral standing...especially if you belong to the morally depraved countries of the U.S. and Israel.
Rule # 2: Questioning cultural practices that have a negative impact on the devlopment of civil society and law is absolutely forbidden UNLESS the practices can in some twisted, convoluted way be blamed on the U.S. or Israel. (I got it! Vendettas in Sicily can be blamed on the Allied invasion of Sicily during the War!) Yes! Let's see... the THOUSANDS who live in fear of blood feuds in Albania must be able to pin that on Reagan somehow and his Tear down that Wall, speech!)
Rule # 3 Disregard rule # 2 when it comes to the cultures of the U.S. and Israel. Absolutely fair game.
Sigh.
OK VAA, Im holding my breath! Now, how much longer till the USA implodes??? So scary....boohooo.
ReplyDeleteImplosion is your only shot at "victory". Its quite clear muslim armies will never march down 5th avenue or inhabit the white house. Never going to happen.
So instead you hope and pray we do ourselves in? Well, need I remind, we tried that once before. It was called the civil war. And we only became stronger after. Did you ever ponder that little conundrum, I wonder? HAHA
The future belongs to the most flexible and innovative. Your societies havent been innovative for two thousand years. Meanwhile, we are just getting started. Or did you guys launch a probe to Mars recently and I missed it? I think not.
The odds of the US imploding into oblivion are miniscule, but I guess you guys have to pin your hopes on something. Shame it couldnt be something creative and/or that advances the human condition. But I guess you guys decided algebra was a good stopping point. Oh well, not my problem.
Your societies havent been innovative for two thousand years.
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It's good you posted this one idiot because now, we can safely declare you as the most moronic poster ever to comment on this site! It's official!!
Your societies havent been innovative for two thousand years.
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Oh, dear! It's good you posted this one because now, we can safely declare you as the most moronic poster ever to comment on this site! It's official!!
"OK VAA, Im holding my breath! Now, how much longer till the USA implodes?"
ReplyDeleteHey as long as imbeciles like you live and breathe it is rest assured fleming. So don't hold your breath, it is antithetical to your assured implosion. Flexible society, innovative? LOL Your ignorance is stunning.
Than we have the classic vza rampage for touching her imperial lover, from which she spawns her malformed offspring of so-called "ideas." Fuck everything the USA has done and is doing to harm other countries because it "can," and every president from WW2 forward should have been hung according to Nuremburg principles. No other country in modern history has the record of this beast, the pox Americana
"OK VAA, Im holding my breath! Now, how much longer till the USA implodes?"
ReplyDeleteHey as long as imbeciles like you live and breathe it is rest assured fleming. So don't hold your breath, it is antithetical to your assured implosion. Flexible society, innovative? LOL Your ignorance is stunning.
Than we have the classic vza rampage for touching her imperial lover, from which she spawns her malformed offspring of so-called "ideas." Fuck everything the USA has done and is doing to harm other countries because it "can," and every president from WW2 forward should have been hung according to Nuremberg principles. No other country in modern history has the record of this beast, the pox Americana - FALIED NATION
OK VAA, Im holding my breath! Now, how much longer till the USA implodes?"
ReplyDeleteHey as long as imbeciles like you live and breathe it is rest assured fleming. So don't hold your breath, it is antithetical to your assured implosion. Flexible society, innovative? LOL Your ignorance is stunning.
Than we have the classic vza rampage for touching her imperial lover, from which she spawns her malformed offspring of so-called "ideas." Fuck everything the USA has done and is doing to harm other countries because it "can," and every president from WW2 forward should have been hung according to Nuremberg principles. No other country in modern history has the record of this beast, the pox Americana - FAILED NATION
Your societies havent been innovative for two thousand years.
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Ha ha ha...Two thousand years ?!!!
Look! Honestly fleming!! Have you ever set a foot in a history class?
No, but it's good you posted this one because now, we can safely declare you as the most moronic poster ever to comment on this site! It's official!!
Two thousand years!! Am I the only one who discovered this pearl?!
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"Who, Who do you serve?
For whose empire and for whose whims?
Is your honor judged by men?
Will you lie?
Will you lie if they say it's their will?
Will you die or continue to kill?
Until the generals all ahve their fill
Craven Cowards
Armchair Warriors
You will serve Them well
What, what will you write?
For whose pleasure, for whose delight?
Will your readers see your light?
Will you say...That the singer can't blow you away?
That we hate people just 'cause they're gay
Women and children all stay away
To whom, whom do you pray?
Do dollars wash your sins away?
Does God love cold hard cash?
Do you say...If we all just continue to pay
All our ailments will go away
And our souls will be saved
God's not with you
"Holy Roller"
Your heart dwells in Hell
Why, Why do you run?
Our awareness has spoiled your fun
Our eyes see you too clear
Will you hide
From the joy of expressing our pride
For the leaders and people who've died
While combating your genocide
Chains are breaking
Minds are waking
Soon we'll serve no more..."
That was part of "stunning ignorance" reply TGIA...lol
ReplyDeleteHowever TGIA, you can be doubly amused, because no doubt vza's jaw dropped in praise of flemings demented prose...lol
ReplyDeleteWhile we are at it, lets not forget the title of this post, and what started this little verbal rampage. Don't forget it.
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ReplyDeleteKeep following the sheep,
vza
ReplyDeletekeep following Fleming.
Two thousand, give or take, you know little miss tgia. Quibble the exact number if you like but the essence of comment holds true. Like I said, unless I missed that space probe a muslim country has launched to Mars? Or perhaps you guys have your own hadron collider?
ReplyDeleteReally, we have all the cool stuff we need right now from current sources, Im afriad anything from folks offer would just be highly redundant.
PS: Flavored hummus aint go to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizz0o9fPWU
ReplyDeleteAre you still lonely zit?
ReplyDeleteTGIA, please don't insult the armed forces of the US.
ReplyDeleteFleming, what exactly are "Western Values?" America should look east. Asians are more free market and increasingly more successful than Europeans (many of whom are "has beens.")
Fleming, your mindset is difficult to understand. It is true that Saddam--that subhuman demonic wanna be Lucifer channeling scum--had links to Al Qaeda linked networks. Saddam worked with Lashkar e Jhanvi (anti Shia organization that declared Osama Bin Laden to be its emir in 1999) to attack Shia and Iranians. {LeJ might have been complicit in the recent Iranian mosque that was suicide bombed.}
My question you is why Iraq in 2003. Many countries backed AQ linked countries. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen and Egypt more than Iraq. Why attack Saddam? I would argue that North Korea posed a greater threat to global and US security than Saddam did in 2003? So why Iraq? Why was involving the US in a complex ongoing civil war (that started in 1991 or 1980) so urgent and important? I don't understand the mind set.
VAA, this is the true Iraqi resistance:
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They smashed the evil Saddam. They killed him and his fellow scum. They killed thousands of non Iraqi sunni arabs who came to Iraqi to mass murder Iraqis. They will soon be the greatest army in recorded Arab history.
These lions have lost tens of thousands of dead fighting for the freedom of the Iraqi people.
Hey Fleming. I like TGIA. Where is you evidence that he is a "a left wing/anti-US wingnut"?
ReplyDeleteFleming, if you were a little more courteous you would be treated a lot better.
VAA, the attack on Iraqi Army collumns in 1991 was legal. They were engaged in tactical manouvers at the time. They were not clearly withdrawing from Kuwait based on information available at the time.
ReplyDeleteIn retrospect, what appears to have happened is that the Iraqi people rose up and siezed 14 out of 18 Iraqi provinces. Saddam might have been withdrawing those troops to fight the Iraqi people and Iraqi resistance. Most Iraqis wanted those collumns to be stopped from attacking them. This said, it is very sad that maybe 200,000 or more Iraqis died in the 1991 civil war and the Iraqi war. Most of those Iraqi Army soldiers viscerally hated the evil Saddam and would have torn him apart piece by piece if they got a chance. Most Iraqi Army soldiers supported the Iraqi resistance in their hearts.
VAA, you don't get to make up international law on the fly. In a shooting war, armies fight each other. They continue to fight until there is a cease fire.
TGIA, it is wrong to punish great grand children for the crime of their great grand parents. That is why VZA is so upset with VAA.
ReplyDeletev, how come the vast majority of people around the world dislike communists. How come Indian voters just threw out the communists? How come Iraqi voters rejected the communists?
ReplyDeleteI think that the real reason you attack your fellow Jewish Americans is because you are upset that your own people have rejected communist ideology (Israel started as comunist/socialist ally of the USSR but tranformed into a free market capitalist country.) You are also heart broken that billions of poor people around the world have rejected communism.
Fleming, every now and then you make relavent points. But two thousand years? Are you on drugs?
ReplyDeleteLieberman. ;)
ReplyDeleteBush helped Saddam to crush the uprising in 1991
ReplyDeleteAnd who told YOU I would condone such a thing, sir? Just because fleming says so? Difd I say it ANYWHERE in my comment? NO!!
ReplyDelete"Two thousand years" I can't believe that someone wrote this.
ReplyDeleteVZA doesn't follow fleming. She is much much smarter for starters.
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Do you have a problem with me still feeling Arab? Did you know I'm not even an Australian citizen?
There are no communists that I know of on this site. Unless you call anything which is not on the far right communist.
ReplyDeleteNo he's on David Duke's!
ReplyDeleteI don't like Bush Senior.
ReplyDeleteYou didn't say it TGIA. VAA implied it. I know that you don't agree with nonsense like that.
ReplyDeleteTGIA, is V a communist? How about Moy? None of the rest of you seem to be communists.
ReplyDeleteBut Anand, since you support Iraqi freedom, please shed some light as to why the US deliberately denied it.
ReplyDelete“The Bush administration did not stand by and do nothing, they actively aided and abetted Saddam's military in crushing the insurgency (yes, the 1991 uprising was, unlike what has been going on in Iraq since 2003, really an insurgency). The American military allowed Saddam's attack helicopters and tanks access to the insurgents, blocked insurgents' movement, in some cases confiscating their vehicles and weapons, refused them aid, and they destroyed huge numbers of captured Iraqi weapons that would have been invaluable to the rebels. And they flew overhead and watched, in at least some cases filming the action, as the brutal slaughter took place.”
This is the mentalty that TGIA and VAA defend.
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This is the mentality you like to think we defend when we don't!! HUGE difference asshole!!
As for Iraq's ties to al-Qaeda, it is highly unlikely that Saddam would have had any sort of relationship with an organization whose leader had repeatedly called for the overthrow of the Ba'athist regime in Baghdad. Indeed, just a month before the suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Osama bin Laden had urged Iraqi Muslims to rise up against Saddam, a secularist whom he viewed as an enemy of Islam. The US government most certainly knew this while it was claiming the opposite to be true. If al-Qaeda has a presence within the Iraqi opposition to US occupation, it is an ad hoc, post-Saddam arrangement whose existence must be blamed on the Americans themselves. When US officials in Iraq refer to "foreign terrorists" it is as if the Americans have become Iraqis, or the Iraqis don't exist.
ReplyDeleteVis a communist? Did you have a look at his site? Did you wonder what the logo (an A inside a circle) stand for ? Something that Moy or me have always said we stand for too!!!
ReplyDeleteGeezus kryste!!! That's silly if not offensive!! I mean where have you been hibernating? Have you ever wondered what the difference between a Jew and a Zionist is ? Or the difference between a Finkelstein and a Dershowitz??!!
ReplyDeleteJust scroll up and you'll believe it!
ReplyDeleteVAA: "Not so fast, we've just started."
ReplyDeletePosted from comfortable, sunny, U.S. ally, Australia!
lol!
The true resistance are those fighting with the U.S. to rid Iraq of the murderers, thieves, and malcontents who are determined to prevent any progress at all.
Such silliness, VAA. I have agreed and disagreed with fleming, depending on the issue, just as I do with you or anyone else.
ReplyDeleteThat's what grown-ups do.
I have absolutely no problem with you about anything. I have always thought you one of the great guys of this blog. But can we disagree without the craziness?
ReplyDeleteI just do not understand the venomous reaction to my comment about VAA's joke.
It may have been a joke but the underlying mentality is there. How does the professor frequently end his comments about Palestinians? Never forget. Never forgive. Isn't that how many of you look at Israel? This mentality is far more prevalent than you care to admit... and its destructiveness in your or any other region where it is prevalent, is obvious for anyone to see. Long memories and scores to settle...a waste.
<span style="">Awwww, isnt that cute. Now Anand is handing out "who is smart" cards. I hope he gives me a good one. HAHAH
ReplyDeleteAnand, you are such an annoying little know-it-all. Your persona is grating and unattractive no matter what perspective one has. As your on-line and offine personalities are no no doubt the same, you are surely one lonely guy, </span>
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<span style="">What I find especially humorous is watching you kiss Moderator Ass, as well as the butts of their buddies. As if that puts you in the "in crowd" of the AACS. Is it really your goal to be buddies with tgia, vaa, moy, V and other such "luminaries"? HAHAH I can only say "good luck with that!" Was that your modus operandi in high school? Im quite sure it was. </span>
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<span style="">Personally, I have a large network beyond this site on which I draw for my friendships and connections. Anand, you should work on making more "3D" friends with whom you can actually have real world experiences, and even know their names!
PS: Nobody likes an ass kisser. Try a new approach.</span>
Flemming, I grew in the US. I have almost never met a schmuck like you. Many Americans are provincial and find foreigners boring. However, almost no Americans go out of their way to insult foreigners the way you do.
ReplyDeleteI like TGIA. I give VAA some room because Israelis harmed his family. Moy is at least thoughtful. V, well V is kind of like you Flemming.
I can't tell you how offensive you are when you make "two thousand year" comments. You really need a good kick in the butt from one of the lions in the Iraqi Army or the Afghan Army. Those lions are fighting the Takfiri to keep creeps like you safe.
TGIA, David Duke has far better manners than Fleming. David Duke has been a guest of the Iranian Regime. David respects middle easteners more than Fleming.
ReplyDelete2,000 years? Has Fleming heard about Malaysia? Turkey? Indonesia? Dubai?
How about the Seljik Turks? Ottoman Turks? Mongol (Moghul) empire from South Asia 1526-1700s? What about Persia? What about the reign of Ali, may peace be upon him?
vza
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lol!
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Everyone has a role to play,after all you wouldn't want another resistance fighter , would you ?
The true resistance are those fighting the U.S. to rid Iraq of the murderers, thieves, and malcontents who are determined to expand the empire.
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ReplyDeleteVAA, the attack on Iraqi Army collumns in 1991 was legal. They were engaged in tactical manouvers at the time
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As usual you're a liar,and a bullshit artist.
The Iraqi troops were not being driven out of Kuwait by U.S. troops as the Bush administration maintains. They were not retreating in order to regroup and fight again. In fact, they were withdrawing, they were going home, responding to orders issued by Baghdad, announcing that it was complying with Resolution 660 and leaving Kuwait. At 5:35 p.m. (Eastern standard Time) Baghdad radio announced that Iraq's Foreign Minister had accepted the Soviet cease-fire proposal and had issued the order for all Iraqi troops to withdraw to postions held before August 2, 1990 in compliance with UN Resolution 660. President Bush responded immediately from the White House saying (through spokesman Marlin Fitzwater) that "there was no evidence to suggest the Iraqi army is withdrawing. In fact, Iraqi units are continuing to fight. . . We continue to prosecute the war." On the next day, February 26, 1991, Saddam Hussein announced on Baghdad radio that Iraqi troops had, indeed, begun to withdraw from Kuwait and that the withdrawal would be complete that day. Again, Bush reacted, calling Hussein's announcement "an outrage" and "a cruel hoax."
Eyewitness Kuwaitis attest that the withdrawal began the afternoon of February 26, 1991 and Baghdad radio announced at 2:00 AM (local time) that morning that the government had ordered all troops to withdraw.
The massacre of withdrawing Iraqi soldiers violates the <span style="font-weight: bold;">Geneva Conventions of 1949, Common Article III,</span> which outlaws the killing of soldiers who are out of combat. The point of contention involves the Bush administration's claim that the Iraqi troops were retreating to regroup and fight again. Such a claim is the only way that the massacre which occurred could be considered legal under international law. But in fact the claim is false and obviously so. The troops were withdrawing and removing themselves from combat under direct orders from Baghdad that the war was over and that Iraq had quit and would fully comply with UN resolutions. To attack the soldiers returning home under these circumstances is a war crime.
http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-death.htm
vza
ReplyDeleteNever forget. Never forgive.
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Despite all the genocide ,land theft,crimes against humanity etc.Arabs should present the Zionists in occupied Palestine with roses and gifts of appreciation.After all it all happenYou call it long memories and scores to settle.I think you have exposed yourself quite admirably.
More hyperbole. Of course, nobody expects roses and appreciation.
ReplyDeleteThe Communists of Iraq sound like the ones with the most sense of all the groups. Your resistance, (that you cheer on from the safety of your keyboard in Australia), are nothing but killers and thieves for the most part.
ReplyDelete<span style="font-family: Arial;">"Resistance against an invading force is a legitimate right that is universally acknowledged. However, we think it is wrong to reduce the resistance to armed struggle, which is but a form of struggle that is resorted to when the other forms are either exhausted or not feasible. Since the collapse of the regime in Iraq, there have been, and there will be in the foreseeable future, quite a variety of possible forms of political struggle. We, and the political forces in general, are no near to exhaust them entirely, especially in the spheres of mass struggle, trade union movement, civil society organisations, etc. On the other hand, contrary to all past examples that we know, the forces which claim armed resistance against the occupation, have not presented a political and social programme and have not put forward their own political representatives. In fact, their real project is a despotic and viciously anti-democratic one. Although we believe that resorting to arms is counter! productive in the current Iraqi context, we are ready to engage in dialogue with forces that really fight occupation but refrain from resorting to terror and targeting civilians and the infrastructure. While not denying the existence of such forces, they do not constitute the main element in the armed action which is generally dominated by extremist Islamists and supporters of the previous regime."</span>
http://www.iraqcp.org/members3/0060125icpr.htm
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ReplyDeleteYour resistance, (that you cheer on from the safety of your keyboard in Australia), are nothing but killers and thieves for the most part.
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Why are you so sure which is my resistance,is this still part of character assassination.
Who are behind the civilian killers ? aren't they part of an orchestrated effort by the occupation forces?
Who destroyed Iraq ?, Who killed over 1 million Iraqis ?Who's thieving Iraq's wealth ? Who's responsible ?
My resistance is one that contributes to cleaning Iraq of all invaders and occupiers.
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ReplyDeleteYou're an idiot.
2,000 years? Has Fleming heard about Malaysia? Turkey? Indonesia? Dubai?
ReplyDeleteHow about the Seljik Turks? Ottoman Turks? Mongol (Moghul) empire from South Asia 1526-1700s? What about Persia? What about the reign of Ali, may peace be upon him?
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WHAT????WHAT?!!
I can't believe my eyes here!! I thought fleming's ignorance did not warrant an answer so blatantly moronic it is!! But to say that the above mentioned are the Arabs/ Muslims contribution to humanity barely fares any better!
Have you guys read about rise of Islam lead by Arabs and non Arabs to the confines of the known world in the 8th century? From China to Spain??! Have you ever read about all the prodigious efforts in all areas and fields of Science Mathematics, literature, art and architecture??? Fleming SOB may think this never happened or maybe before 2000 years ago but all this took place from the 8th to the 14th century!!! I'm stunned that even an American student in Atlanta wouldn't have a clue about that. Did you ever wonder why most of the stars carry an Arabic name to name only one scientific field!! Why Medical universities still teach Avicenna as the founding father of modern medicine?? Who translated the Greeks and brought them to Europe when this continent was experiencig the darkest of ages??? This is basic knowlege people and you're talking about Dubai, Malaysia and the Mogols!!! Are you serious?
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ReplyDelete<span style="color: #404040;">I like TGIA. I give VAA some room because Israelis harmed his family. </span>
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Spare me the "some room" . Israelis never harmed my family.
It must your vivid imagination because I've never even mentioned that.
"Who are behind the civilian killers ? aren't they part of an orchestrated effort by the occupation forces?"
ReplyDeleteOh please. Yes, we really want to drain our resources and kill our own men and women so we can stay there a hundred years. This ranks up there with holocaust denial, 9/11 was perpetrated by the Jews conspiracy theories, and assorted other goofy things believed in the Arab world.
vza
ReplyDeleteOK no roses. So should Palestinians forget and forgive ,exiled in refugee camps ?
A simple question.
r.s. did you support the Iraqi resistance between 1980 and 2003? If so, why did you suddenly betray them on March 19, 2003? Why did you support violent attacks against Iraq's heroes between 2003 and 2008. The IA and IP defeated the bad people in 2008.
ReplyDeleteVZA, DJ and Curt/Datta told me that the Iraqi Communist Party = Iraqi collaborator Party.
ReplyDeleteThe global left hates the Iraqi Communist Party (ICP) for daring the fight Saddam 1980 to 2003 and for daring the fight the resistance between 2003 and 2008. The Iraqi Communist Party made the unpardable sin of joining with Allawi's political block in 2005 and for sticking with Allawi ever since. The global left "HATES" Allawi and the ICP.
TGIA, muslims have contributed many many things. Many more things than you have mentioned.
ReplyDeleteBTW, the Mongols converted to Islam and Genghiz Khan's descendent Timur founded the Seljik Turk empire; which greatly advanced global science and culture. Later, one of Timur's descendents Babar founded the Mongol empire of India (Moghul empire.) This empire advanced global science and culture to new heights.
I really like Mongols and their descendent civilizations.
Aren't you Palestinian? Why do you hate Israelis so much? I fully understand that you want the Palestinians to get their own rights. I praise you for being pro Palestinian.
ReplyDeleteI do wish, however, you would try to understand that Palestinians benefit from Israeli economic growth.
"VZA, DJ and Curt/Datta told me that the Iraqi Communist Party = Iraqi collaborator Party. "
ReplyDeleteThe global left are for the most part idiots. They have made comon cause with the Islamists. They should look at what the Mad Mullahs of Iran did to the Leftists after the Revolution. Talk about betrayal!
The ICP did what was best for the Iraqi people. They were not collaborators. They had more concern for their people than all the gun-toting thugs combined.
They shouldn't be in refugee camps, VAA. Their brothers and sisters in the Arab world should have made them citizens with full rights long ago so they could build a future for their children and their children's children. But the Arabs made an agreement, didn't they VAA? They agreed to keep those poor people as perpetual refugees until Israel could be defeated. Now 60 years later, where are they? There is no going back to pre-1948 for anyone. Nothing will ever be the same. Fair? Hell, No!
ReplyDeleteYour question could be put to all sorts of groups of people who have suffered throughout history. The answer is, choose life and choose the future. Get the best deal you can and move forward.
Why do you hate Israelis so much?
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I don't know anand why we hate Israel!! Maybe because we're anti Semites and not because of 60 years of occupation, aggression and relentless killing of our people. Or the theft of a whole country by a bunch of supremacist European colonialist thugs!!! Hey!! Maybe jusat because we're simply evil and we love to hate!!! We love blood!! Actually we'd love to drink Jewish blood!!! We love the taste of it!! I personally can't live without my daily dose of a full pint of Jewish blood!!! just warm at the right body temperature freshly delivered by my my favorite takfiri blood provider!!!....Do you have your answer now?!
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I don't know anand why we hate Israelis!! Maybe because we're anti Semites and not because of 60 years of occupation, aggression and relentless killing of our people. Or the theft of a whole country by a bunch of supremacist European colonialist thugs!!! Hey!! Maybe just because we're simply evil and we love to hate!!! We love blood!! Actually we'd love to drink Jewish blood!!! We love the taste of it!! I personally can't live without my daily dose of a full pint of Jewish blood!!! just warm at the right body temperature freshly delivered by my my favorite takfiri blood provider!!!....Do you have your answer now?!
Despicable!!!
ReplyDeleteThere are no words to describe this!!!!!I'm speechless!
ReplyDeleteWhy are you speachless TGIA?
ReplyDeleteBoth the Palestinians and Israelis have to make the best deal they can with the limited leverage they have.
Evidently, you are not quite speechless! Why? Because I left out Israel's culpability? Why belabor the point? You cannot control what Israel does but you can control what you do. The Arabs have tried and failed to defeat Israel. I guess you want to continue for another 60 years? Perhaps demographics will in the end take care of it all. Do you want to wait till then for the lives of the people in the camps to change for the better? I am not exonerating Israel.
ReplyDeleteTGIA, I don't hate any country. Normal people don't hate countries.
ReplyDeleteYou can hate specific Israelis like Bibi and Lieberman. But why hate a country as a whole? How does that benefit anyone?
Hatred is always wrong.
Or perhaps you object to my stating that Arab countries should have made them full citizens instead of perpetual refugees? Well, then I guess the United States was wrong to allow Palestinians to become citizens,right? Should we have sent them back to whatever refugee camp we could squeeze them into? I live near a large community of Palestinians. Thriving businesses, beautiful homes. An Arab man once responded to my query as to why most Arab countries did not allow Palestinans citrizenship, full rights, etc. He responded with, "Why should we have to do that when Israel created the problem?"
ReplyDeleteI was flabbergasted. Is helping people reduced to who is at fault for their predicament?
So do you dispute the rights of the Palestinians to their land ?
ReplyDeleteNot at all! I just do not think either side will get everything they want or deserve. I am all for the U.S. pressuring Israel to go back to its 1967 borders and dismantle the settlements. But right of return in fact is a dead end. There is no way that is going to happen. Reparations, yes. I think both sides must compromise. That is the ony chance for a decent future.
ReplyDeleteBtw, the Assyrians have rights to lands, too. And I am not talking about ancient times, here. How about lands stolen from them in the 1900's 20's 30's 80's ?Right now?
ReplyDeleteDo you see Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran coming through for them? Would you be willing to have all those Arab, Kurdish, and Turkish familes removed from that land so the Assyrians can go back to their ancestral lands??
Did this dispossesion cross any of those smug viewers minds who listened to Obama's speech and then talked about hypocrisy? Well, there is a little matter of their own hypocrisy for the Arabs, Kurds, and Turks to ponder, too.
anand
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that you took my post about jewish blood seriously? You didn't see it as a joke/sarcasm?
anand
ReplyDeleteYou don't get sarcasm do you?
When are you people going to stop talking to this disinegenuous ass (anand)? He will learn nothing because he is a diehard Israeli sympathizer - get it? Tell him to go fuck himself!
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ReplyDeleteI'm a little confused,on the one hand you say "Arab world should have made the Palestinians citizens with full rights long ago".Israel has not ceased for one moment to colonise and evict them from their owned land. On the other hand,you say you don't dispute their right to their land.I see that as a contradiction.There can only be 2 choices ,either it's their land or it's not.Please make it clear.Furthermore , have you asked any Palestinian whether they want their land back ? have you asked them if they want to forgive and forget.
BTW Should the Assyrians forgive and forget as well ?
And how do you see morality and the rule of law fit in these contexts.
I understand VAA, but what is to be done? Can you turn back the clock to the time of the British Mandate? Can you put an end to the State of Israel? Of course, in a fair world the Palestinians and the Assyrians, and the Native Americans, and assorted other peoples would all get back their lands. You know and I know that is not going to happen. So what is to be done for all those Palestinians in camps? Just continue to live there for another 60 years in limbo? I do not approve at all of what Israel is doing. How are you going to stop it? I just see a negotiated settlement as the only way out of this tragedy. It would be fair to all to simply have one state where all could live equally but what are the chances of that happening? I don't know what more to tell you. I have a relative married to a Palestinian and the opinions in his family are as varied as can be. Some simply want to move on with their lives and live in peace. Others think that one day they will have it all again and Israel will be destroyed. Others want to make the best of a lousy deal and reach a negotiated settlement. Who is right? Morality and the rule of law? You are talking about a perfect world, my friend and it does not exist. Will the Arab countries restore all of the Jewish properties and wealth they were forced to leave behind? Lots and lots of questions and counter questions.
ReplyDeleteVAA, the ground war began on February 24th. Saddam was offered the chance to leave and didn't. Most of Saddam's army broke on February 25th.
ReplyDeleteOn February 26th, Saddam's army was in complete retreat and was encircled from the North. It was then, with the escape North cut off, that Saddam made the ridiculous speach you mentioned. However, Saddam did not control his army in the South. He was not in communications with them. Some of the biggest battles the world has seen since WWII took place on February 27th. In fact, the biggest tank battle since WWII took place on February 28th, after the cease fire was declared. {Many units were out of communication and still fighting.}
The coalition declared a unilateral cessation of hostile activities on February 27th, at Colin Powell's request. The formal cease fire went into effect on Febrary 28th.
VAA, in practice the Iraqi Army was redeploying to fight the Iraqi resistance that had siezed most of 14 provinces (out of 18) inside Iraq. The Iraqi resistance wanted the Iraqi Army to remain bottled up in the South. Colin Powell, like you VAA, wanted the war to end ASAP. And as a result allowed a significant part of the Iraqi Army to retreat north on February 27th and February 28th.
Why did you want the Iraqi Army to be allowed safe passage north VAA? Did you back Saddam against the heroic Iraqi resistance. Many Palestinians did. So did many Saudis, and even I am ashamed to admit, many Americans.
Most of the Iraqi Army was tied up in the South and in the North (against Turkey.) The Iraqi resistance took advantage of this to sieze much of the middle. Then people like you VAA (and some crazies in Bush Senior's administration) demanded that the Iraqi Army be allowed to retreat from the South and North to save Saddam in the center and to gradually reconquer the South and the North.