(IsraelNN.com) Up to 85 percent of Arabs in greater Israel stem from Jewish ancestors, it is estimated.
“In our search for the lost Ten Tribes in India and Afghanistan, we seem to have forgotten to look for their descendants in our very own backyard.” So says the narrator in a new film about the efforts of a former hi-tech pioneer named Tzvi MiSinai to search out the Jewish roots of Israel's Arab enemies – and to inform them of their Judaic heritage.........
The Jews Who Didn't Leave
It is generally accepted that most Jews left the Land of Israel after the failed Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE. Yet many remained, and of these, many are still here, after having been forced to convert to Islam. “It turns out that a large part of the Arabs of the Land of Israel are actually descendants of forced converts to Islam over the years,” says Rabbi Dov Stein of the nascent Sanhedrin rabbinical council. “There are some studies that say that 85 percent of the Arabs in Israel are descended from Jews; others say there are fewer.”
Mondoweiss comment:
The logical conclusion to this article would be that 85% of the Palestinian refugees should be welcomed home under the Law of Return, and Israel will remain a Jewish state which will please all the Zionists? Whazzat, you say they will not at all be pleased?
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Israel National News is the source for this article... every time I open this link, I feel like gagging, but it's an article worth having a look at. You can gag afterwards if you like...
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Many millions of nonmuslims were forcibly converted to Islam in the 7th century BC by Takfiri fanatics.
ReplyDelete<span lang="ar-Latn" xml:lang="ar-Latn">Muˁāwīya ibn ˁAbī Sufyān was especially henious in his forcible conversions, and in killing those who were reluctant to convert. However, Jews are of the book. So how could he get away with forcing Jews to convert? Maybe he imposed a high tax on the Jews?
Source, Anand?
ReplyDeleteIs this a serious question? We are talking about Muawiya. He forced many Shia to convert too.
ReplyDeleteWhat a fascinating article. I'd like to learn more about this!
ReplyDeleteAnand is a big mouth with no facts, why don't you be quiet you ignoramus
ReplyDeleteI know Shi'a hate him. I never heard what you say before, though. However, I'm no expert on Islamic history. I'll do some research.
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ReplyDeleteMu'awiya is the ultimate repugnant personality for the Shi'a and the reasons are long to explain here. But it's worth having a look at as it explains the major rift between Sunna and Sh'ia until to this very day. Roughly, Mu'awiya, a very contraversial, a late convert convert to Islam is seen as usurpator and who was responsible for the murder of Ali, Hassan and Hussain his sons , very sketchily and roughly..
Thanks, tgia. Did you ever hear anything to backup Anand's claim, though?
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ReplyDeleteI didn't check what he wrote. I will and get back to you later...
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ReplyDelete<span style="color: #0066cc;"><img src="http://js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png"/></span><span style="color: #3a3a3a;"> <span>Source, Anand?</span></span>
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<span style="color: #3a3a3a;"><span>He got it from a hate site Molly full of SW1975 type shit. </span></span>
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Anand is a lying sack of shit, what else is new?
ReplyDelete<span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana;">Molly "Source, Anand?"</span>
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<span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana;">He has none, as usual. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span></span>
molly "Source, Anand?"
ReplyDeleteHe has none, as usual.
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ReplyDeleteForget about what anand said...True Mu'awiyah as I said is a controversial figure. Vlified by the Sh'ia for having fought Ali and his sons Hasan and Hussein, among the Sunna themselves there's no agreement that he was a " saintly" character. He's viewed as largely responsible for the rift between muslims and for being an earthly figure not praised for his religious inclination and piety but for his strong charactyer and his services to Islam. Not of proof of what I'm saying but partly a hint is the fact that among Sunnis many boys are called a large variety of names frpm Mohammad to Mahmoud and every Arabic name you can think of, including Ali, Hasan and Hussain but I never heard of anyone named Mu'awiya, though there may be exceptions!
Mu'awiya "forcing" Sh'ia to convert is a strange idea as Sh'ism is subsequent not temporary to Mu'awiyah., though this is a very complicated matter since no one can say when Sh'ia Islam was born!!! Could one call the followers of Ali who fought Mu'awiyah, Shi'a ? Absurd in my opinion since they hadn't yet formed the stucture of a schism. It may have started to germinate then but it was certainly not yet established!!! Anand's liberty with chronology is flabbergasting, lol.
Now did Mu'awiyah force non Muslim to convert as anand is saying? Well this needs to be looked into.. Where do you draw the line between giving incentives(to conversion) of various nature or resorting to the sword...In any case...Mu'awiya "innovated" in many ways, not the least being enfraining the rule which states that a caliph is designated elected by a Shawra and not by inheritence. He put his son Yazid in the seat of the Caliph and it was a first..
Now, on a personal note. As you know I'm nether a Sh'ia nor a Sunni and tried to observe the whole thing fdrom what I have learned and studied not from what my parents or family transmitted to me..Voila...
<span>As I said earlier Mu'awiyah is a controversial figure in Islam. Vilified by the Sh'ia for having fought Ali and his sons Hasan and Hussein among many other things. Among the Sunna themselves there's no agreement that he was a " saintly" character. He's viewed as largely responsible for the rift between muslims and for being an earthly figure not praised for his religious inclination and piety but for his strong charactyer and his services to Islam. Not of proof of what I'm saying but partly a hint is the fact that among Sunnis many boys are called a large variety of names frpm Mohammad to Mahmoud and every Arabic name you can think of, including Ali, Hasan and Hussain but I never heard of anyone named Mu'awiya, though there may be exceptions!
ReplyDeleteMu'awiya "forcing" Sh'ia to convert is a strange idea as Sh'ism is subsequent not temporary to Mu'awiyah., though this is a very complicated matter since no one can say when Sh'ia Islam was born!!! Could one call the followers of Ali who fought Mu'awiyah, Shi'a ? Absurd in my opinion since they hadn't yet formed the stucture of a schism. It may have started to germinate then but it was certainly not yet established!!! Anand's liberty with chronology is flabbergasting, lol.
Now did Mu'awiyah force non Muslim to convert as anand is saying? Well this needs to be looked into.. Where do you draw the line between giving incentives(to conversion) of various nature or resorting to the sword...In any case...Mu'awiya "innovated" in many ways, not the least being enfraining the rule which states that a caliph is designated elected by a Shawra and not by inheritence. He put his son Yazid in the seat of the Caliph and it was a first..
Now, on a personal note. As you know I'm nether a Sh'ia nor a Sunni and tried to observe the whole thing fdrom what I have learned and studied not from what my parents or family transmitted to me..Voila...</span>
<span><span>As I said earlier Mu'awiyah is a controversial figure in Islam. Vilified by the Sh'ia for having fought Ali and his sons Hasan and Hussein among many other things. Among the Sunna themselves there's no agreement that he was a " saintly" character. He's viewed as largely responsible for the rift between muslims and for being an earthly figure not praised for his religious inclination and piety but for his strong charactyer and his services to Islam. Not of proof of what I'm saying but partly a hint is the fact that among Sunnis many boys are called a large variety of names frpm Mohammad to Mahmoud and every Arabic name you can think of, including Ali, Hasan and Hussain but I never heard of anyone named Mu'awiya, though there may be exceptions!
ReplyDeleteMu'awiya "forcing" Sh'ia to convert is a strange idea as Sh'ism is subsequent not temporary to Mu'awiyah., though this is a very complicated matter since no one can say when Sh'ia Islam was born!!! Could one call the followers of Ali who fought Mu'awiyah, Shi'a ? Absurd in my opinion since they hadn't yet formed the stucture of a schism. It may have started to germinate then but it was certainly not yet established!!! Anand's liberty with chronology is flabbergasting, lol.
Now did Mu'awiyah force non Muslim to convert as anand is saying? Well this needs to be looked into.. Where do you draw the line between giving incentives(to conversion) of various nature or resorting to the sword...In any case...Mu'awiya "innovated" in many ways, not the least being enfraining the rule which states that a caliph is designated elected by a Shawra and not by inheritence. He put his son Yazid in the seat of the Caliph and it was a first..
Now, on a personal note. As you know I'm nether a Sh'ia nor a Sunni and tried to observe the whole thing as an outsider.My parents couldn't care less either way...
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Go ahead Anand, link us to the hate site were you found that quote, if you dare.
ReplyDeleteThe Arab rulers didn't even want people to convert to Islam and Mu'awiya was no exception. In fact he highly discouraged his subjects from converting.
ReplyDeleteA New Introduction to Islam by Daniel Brown
ReplyDelete"A seventh-century Iraqi Jew or Egyptian Christian curious to learn more about his new rulers might initially have found the task rather frustrating. The Arabs kept to themselves. They did not come to settle, or to assimilate, but to rule, and their leaders did what they could to prevent their troops from going native." P35
"When non-Arabs did convert to Islam, it came as somthing of a suprise and led to some confusion. It seems apparent that the Arabs had not foreseen this situation and had very little idea of what to do with non-Arab converts...should tax status change on conversion? For the first eighty years or so the answer was generally no." P37
<span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">"The chance to glorify their new religion may have been a motive for the Arab conquests, but they were not driven by a desire to win converts to it. In fact, other than fellow bedouin tribes of Arab descent, the invaders had good reason to avoid mass conversions. Not only would Arab warriors have to share the booty of their military expeditions with ever larger numbers if converts were made, but Muslims were exempted from some of the more lucrative taxes
ReplyDeletelevied on Christian and other non-Muslim groups. Thus, the vision of Islamic jihads, or holy wars, launched to forcibly spread the faith, which has been associated with Islam, distorts the forces behind the early Arab expansion." </span>
<span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">http://history-world.org/islam11.htm</span>
Contemporary and not temporary.. My bad..
ReplyDelete"Mu'awiya "forcing" Sh'ia to convert is a strange idea as Sh'ism is subsequent not temporary to Mu'awiyah"
ReplyDeleteGood point Atheist
"Now did Mu'awiyah force non Muslim to convert as anand is saying?"
Definitely not.
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana;">“In place of the theocratic government of the early caliphs, Muawiyah created a more autocratic and secular regime, which sought to maintain the privileges of the Arabs and the fruits of their conquests. Islam was reserved as a privilege of the Arabs and was not forced upon the conquered peoples”</span>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style=" color: black; font-family: Verdana;">http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/umayyad.htm</span>
"In place of the theocratic government of the early caliphs, Muawiyah created a more autocratic and secular regime, which sought to maintain the privileges of the Arabs and was not forced upon the conquered peoples"
ReplyDeletehttp://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/umayyad.htm
"In place of the theocratic government of the early caliphs, Muawiyah created a more autocratic and secular regime, which sought to maintain the privileges of the Arabs and the fruits of their conquests. Islam was reserved as a privlege of the Arabs and was not forced upon the conquered peoples"
ReplyDeletehttp://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/umayyad.htm
No mention of DNA testing in this article, just grasping at straws in anandesque fashion. What is the Israeli attitude to DNA testing? Do they fear it would expose their origin mythos once and for all?
ReplyDeleteI'm going to check that book out, R.S. Anand, I think you should stop pretending to be an expert on Islam.
ReplyDeleteOh, and I did meet a Muawiya once. Owned a bookstore in Amman.
ReplyDeleteYes Molly, you find find some but not many. Not mainstream...Maybe we should ask r.s.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to check if I could see many in Google and I found a certain Mu'awiya...HASSANEIN(Hassan and Hussien)!!!Now that's funny! His parents must have been easy going compromising people!
<span>Yes Molly, you would find some but not many. Not mainstream...Maybe we should ask r.s. he really knows much more about those thinks..In Lebanon, never heard of a single one!!!!
ReplyDeleteI wanted to check if I could see many in Google and I found a certain Mu'awiya...HASSANEIN(Hassan and Hussien)!!!Now that's funny! His parents must have been easy going compromising people!</span>
That's cute, kind of like this guy named Jesus Mohamed that was on the news a while back.
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ReplyDeleteMuslims don't give the name Jesus, (y'asou' in Arabic) because they already have another Arabic name for it cited in the Quran which is I'sa..So it should be very common to be called Isa Muhammad for example..
Genetic tests have been conducted, Jews and Palestinians are very closely related. Interestingly enough, Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to Palestinians.
ReplyDeletehttp://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~duraid/stolen_science/The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Relatedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations.pdf