Thursday, July 16, 2009

Clinton and (Honduran) coup

Clinton and coup
"US Lobbyists with Clinton Ties Hired to Defend Honduran Coup Regime"
The Angry Arab
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27 comments:

  1. vJuly 16, 2009 at 8:01 PM

    My question is simple - when are some of you people who post here going to learn what is really taking place? This is not an "I told you so" post, the facts are plain and clear.

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  2. thankgodimatheistJuly 16, 2009 at 8:47 PM

    This reminds me of a Chomsky quote...I'll try to find it.

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  3. thankgodimatheistJuly 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM

    Here:
    <h3 class="UIIntentionalStory_Message"><span> </span>"It is easy to be carried away by the sheer horror of what the daily press reveals and to lose sight of the fact that this is merely the brutal exterior of a deeper crime, of commitment to a social order that guarantees endless suffering and humiliation and denial of elementary human rights.</h3>

    It is tragic that the United States should have become, in Toynbee?s words, “the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in defense of vested interests.” For American intellectuals and for the schools, there is no more vital issue than this indescribable tragedy.
    Noam Chomsky

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  4. thankgodimatheistJuly 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM

    Here: 

    <div class="js-singleCommentText"><span> </span>"It is easy to be carried away by the sheer horror of what the daily press reveals and to lose sight of the fact that this is merely the brutal exterior of a deeper crime, of commitment to a social order that guarantees endless suffering and humiliation and denial of elementary human rights.</h3> 
     
    It is tragic that the United States should have become, in Toynbee?s words, “the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in defense of vested interests.” For American intellectuals and for the schools, there is no more vital issue than this indescribable tragedy. 
    Noam Chomsky</div>

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  5. thankgodimatheistJuly 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM

    Here:  
     
    <span> </span>"It is easy to be carried away by the sheer horror of what the daily press reveals and to lose sight of the fact that this is merely the brutal exterior of a deeper crime, of commitment to a social order that guarantees endless suffering and humiliation and denial of elementary human rights. 
      It is tragic that the United States should have become, in Toynbee?s words, “the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in defense of vested interests.” For American intellectuals and for the schools, there is no more vital issue than this indescribable tragedy.  
    Noam Chomsky

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  6. vzaJuly 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM

    Yes, a social and economic order that Mr. Chomsky is a part of, participates in, profits from, and helps to perpetuate..regardless of what he writes.

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  7. vJuly 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM

    That is like arguing about humans breathing air and fish being in water vza, why don't you grow up? Get beyond the "love it or leave it" bullshit, and understand what has been perpetrated on the general public by the few. Get to the remedy and stop whining like a little child - plainly the tragedy has to stop, are you for that premise or not? If not than you are just a drone for empire with no understanding of the cost or consequences.  Which makes you part of the problem and not the solution. At least Chomsky shine a light on it, you just bow down like a defeated and powerless slave - "yes master, yes master, you are the greatest no matter how many innocents you kill, or impoverish, or enslve - let me lick your boots oh mighty one."

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  8. vJuly 17, 2009 at 12:40 AM

    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

    Abraham Lincoln

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  9. thankgodimatheistJuly 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM

    I thought Chomsky is living of his writings and teachings not of the system which imposes a specific social or economic order.

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  10. thankgodimatheistJuly 17, 2009 at 2:16 AM

    In other words, if I live well selling my paintings should I stop criticising what I deem critisizsable around me?

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  11. MaracatuJuly 17, 2009 at 6:57 AM

    Economic forecasts for 2009:
    La Cepal indicó que los países que más crecerán en la región son Panamá y Bolivia que registrarán un avance de 2.5 por ciento en el 2009, seguidos por Perú y Haití, ambos con dos por ciento.

    Mientras que las economías de Argentina (1.5 por ciento); Cuba, Ecuador, República Dominicana y Uruguay, con uno por ciento cada uno; Colombia (0.6 por ciento) y Venezuela (0.3 por ciento) también registrarán resultados positivos.

    Los países que registrarán caídas son Brasil (-0.8 por ciento); Chile, Guatemala y Nicaragua (-1.00 por ciento); El Salvador (-2.00 por ciento); Honduras (-2.5 por ciento); Costa Rica y Paraguay (-3.00 por ciento); y, México (-7.00 por ciento).

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  12. vJuly 17, 2009 at 8:22 AM

    Interesting stats mara

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  13. flemingJuly 17, 2009 at 9:51 AM

    Guess ole Honest Abe was wrong huh V?  OR surely you arent on the side of the "despicable" slave owners??? :)  (which my ancestors were).  Given the economic might of this country was, and remains, in the North, which won the war, Im not clear as to your point.... 

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  14. vJuly 17, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    It is one of those strange anomalies fleming...but certainly nothing you can claim being a champion of corporate atrocity.

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  15. MaracatuJuly 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM

    Zelaya back in Honduras? Supreme Court admits coup was illegal

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  16. MaracatuJuly 17, 2009 at 6:25 PM

    The power of labor:

    Workers at a plant in south-western France who had threatened to blow up equipment made by their company, JLG, say they have now obtained satisfactory layoff terms. This is the third such case of threats in France in less than a week.

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  17. MaracatuJuly 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM

    Good information HERE.

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  18. vJuly 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

    That is what I like to see in France Mara, now lets have it spread everywhere.

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  19. vJuly 18, 2009 at 9:22 AM

    That is what I like to see in France Mara, now lets have it spread everywhere.

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  20. vzaJuly 18, 2009 at 9:24 AM

    What a loon.

    "By Thursday, Chavez really lost it, making a bizarre, out-of-protocol 11:15 p.m. phone call to U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Thomas Shannon urging the U.S. to "do something," suggesting a military invasion. Seems Chavez was losing sleep at night over <span>Honduras</span>."
    "Then, on his weekly variety show Sunday, Chavez made a long speech about his call to Shannon, hurling insults at the very country he wanted go to war for him. He blamed the U.S. for instigating the "coup" that removed Zelaya and maintained that the 600 U.S. troops stationed on <span>Honduras</span>' Palmerola military base had a role in it."

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548482246461&kw=honduras

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  21. vJuly 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM

    Apparently you have little to no knowledge, or refuse to acknowledge these atrocities cooked up by the US and others in these regions vza. It does not surprise me, that you cannot or will not understand the threat to the region because of this, that is because it does not harm your sorry ass. Or, at least you think it does not. So let Obama continue with his covert rollback, and lets watch the US disintegrate as it so richly deserves - perhaps it will bring some maximum pain into your life, we can only hope.

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  22. vJuly 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM

    Apparently you have little to no knowledge, or refuse to acknowledge these atrocities cooked up by the US and others in these regions vza. It does not surprise me, that you cannot or will not understand the threat to the region because of this, that is because it does not harm your sorry ass. Or, at least you think it does not. So let Obama continue with his covert rollback, and lets watch the US disintegrate as it so richly deserves - perhaps it will bring some maximum pain into your life, we can only hope.

    OBAMA'S ROLLBACK STRATEGY

    http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-07_cy-2009_m-07_d-11_y-2009_o-0.html

    It is my view that we have entered a new era of stealth and plausible deniability by the current US administration. Who knew full well that nothing that Zelaya did was illegal, but chose to use the wording of the coup instigators who spoke of the presidents "illegal actions" and everything terminating on his being "re-elected to office." All of this is just a sign that this administration in Washington does not want another star in the Central and South America constellation of participatory democracy.

    All of their words (US administrations) to the contrary of complicity are moot because there has been no significant cutting off of the coup instigators in Honduras, nor has there been any withdrawal of the US military base (some of the coup leaders being graduates of the School Of The Americas). This administration is acting as if they can do nothing to stop this coup process  - I don't buy it. Specifically in light of the history of the US in this region.  Even if the link is not as strong as I am saying between the coup leaders and the US government, the US government is specifically responsible for building an elite in Honduras that becomes so alarmed and is bequeathed which such power, that their elite franchise is going to be threatened by participatory democracy and they can exert such illegal force.  The U.S. Government and the elite in Honduras might not be working for the total ousting of Zelaya, but they are working together in a battle of attrition, to see the people of Honduras get no where near a participatory democracy.

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  23. MaracatuJuly 18, 2009 at 12:14 PM

    An eminently plausible analysis from someone outside looking in.

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  24. MaracatuJuly 18, 2009 at 12:21 PM

    ...And then, of course, there are the usual cheerleaders (or enablers?) (or suspects?):

    When the Honduran military overthrew the democratically elected government of Manuel Zelaya two weeks ago there might have been a sigh of relief in the corporate board rooms of Chiquita banana.  Earlier this year the Cincinnati-based fruit company joined Dole in criticizing the government in Tegucigalpa which had raised the minimum wage by 60%.  Chiquita complained that the new regulations would cut into company profits, requiring the firm to spend more on costs than in Costa Rica: 20 cents more to produce a crate of pineapple and ten cents more to produce a crate of bananas to be exact. In all, Chiquita fretted that it would lose millions under Zelaya’s labor reforms since the company produced around 8 million crates of pineapple and 22 million crates of bananas per year. When the minimum wage decree came down Chiquita sought help and appealed to the Honduran National Business Council, known by its Spanish acronym COHEP.  Like Chiquita, COHEP was unhappy about Zelaya’s minimum wage measure.

    A Chiquita role in the coup?  Soundsvery possible, given the well documented history of the region.

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  25. vzaJuly 18, 2009 at 12:50 PM

    Even if all you say is true, he is still a loon.

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  26. vJuly 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM

    HERE IS WHAT IS NEEDED

    http://ch.indymedia.org/media/2005/08/34659.mp3

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  27. vJuly 20, 2009 at 12:19 AM

    The ONLY thing President Zelaya was guilty of was the desire for real and lasting change for the people of Honduras

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