Thursday, April 23, 2009

NY Times Oped about torture by the guy who interrogated Abu Zubaydah

My tortured decision
by Ali Soufan
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24 comments:

  1. vApril 23, 2009 at 9:32 PM

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/opinion/23soufan.html
     
    "...because it is in our national security interest to regain our position as the world’s foremost defenders of human rights."
     
    What the fuck is this (above)? Don't make me laugh

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  2. vApril 23, 2009 at 9:39 PM

    "As we move forward, it’s important to not allow the torture issue to harm the reputation, and thus the effectiveness, of the C.I.A. The agency is essential to our national security. We must ensure that the mistakes behind the use of these techniques are never repeated."
     
    This has got to be the most ridiculous article on some levels that I have ever read, it requires the assassination of your brain. "foremost human rights defender - ...the repuration of the CIA ... essential to our national security,"  gimme a break.  Unless, of course, you have a first grade mentality (even then I was not this gullible).

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  3. MollyApril 24, 2009 at 9:51 AM

    You are right, V, but I posted it because it showed that Zubaydah was being cooperative before they started torturing him.  I want to get waterboarded to feel what it's like.  Is that strange?

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  4. MollyApril 24, 2009 at 10:05 AM

    And that they did not get any actionable intelligence by it, contradicting the Bush administration.

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  5. vApril 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM

    Well, if it limited to your knowledge Anand, than I can see why you came up with only two or three people tortured...

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  6. MaracatuApril 24, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    This is interesting...
     
    President Barack Obama’s first appearances outside North America – in London, Strasbourg, Prague, and Istanbul – galvanised world attention. But what that trip singularly failed to do was paper over a startling fact: the “Washington Consensus” about how the global economy should be run is now a thing of the past. The question now is what is likely to replace it.  Although China is often said to lack “soft power”, many of its ideas on economics and governance are coming into ascendance. Indeed, in pursuit of national economic stability, the Obama administration is clearly moving towards the kind of government intervention that China has been promoting over the past two decades.

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  7. JoeApril 24, 2009 at 10:48 AM

    Molly:
     
    If you want to know what waterboarding feels like, go to the beach and swin out into the ocean until you are so exhausted that you can't swim another stroke. Then in a few minutes you will know what waterboarding feels like. (You didn't say if you wanted to live to describe your sensations)

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  8. ehhh...April 24, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Anand, The US has only tortured 3 people!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
     
    The CIA is a bunch of naive boy scouts?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPRpAfA_xQ 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VxnCBD9W4 
    <h4><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">" ...the CIA has overthrown functioning democracies in over 20 countries."</span></h4>
    <h4><span style="font-family: Tahoma;">John Stockwell, former CIA official and author</span>http://www.serendipity.li/cia/stock2.htmlhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm<h1>THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA:</h1>
    <h2>by John Stockwell</h2>
    <p>John Stockwell, former CIA Station Chief in Angola in 1976, working for then Director of the CIA, George Bush.  He spent 13 years in the agency.  He gives a short history of CIA covert operations.  He is a very compelling speaker and the highest level CIA officer to testify to the Congress about his actions.  He estimates that over 6 million people have died in CIA covert actions, and this was in the late 1980's.
    <p>John Stockwell is the highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public. He ran a CIA intelligence-gathering post in Vietnam, was the task-force commander of the CIA's secret war in Angola in 1975 and 1976, and was awarded the Medal of Merit before he resigned. Stockwell's book In Search of Enemies, published by W.W. Norton 1978, is an international best-seller.
    <p>Anand, neither you nor congress knows what's going on in covert CIA ops.  The only green, naive, boyscout around here is you. Keep your head in the sand you poser and, uh, focus on trying to lose your virginity instead!
    <p>As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.
    <p>Get a job and leave us be!
    </h4>

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  9. anandApril 24, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    v, please provide evidence that the torture of more than 3 terror suspects was authorized.

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  10. vApril 24, 2009 at 1:00 PM

    Only after you provide evidence that you have a brain, we will be waiting a loooong time

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  11. vApril 24, 2009 at 1:01 PM

    Oh, why not stupid putz - there are hundreds of people who testify to being tortured at Guantanamo Bay, as an example idiot anand

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  12. JoeApril 24, 2009 at 1:46 PM

    I wish that the debate about torture would be honest just once. It's not about whether it's moral to torture people if we get useful information. Some may spill their guts-in more ways than one-if they are tortured. Others will say anything they think their torturers want to hear. So it's a wash as far its effectiveness goes. What the debate is really about is whether we should torture out of revenge-and to try to get everyone to pretend we aren't really torturing people. And if we have that honest debate, it should be pointed out that we aren't seeking vengance for all the people who were killed on 9/11. If the government really cared about dead Americans, half the country wouldn't be uninsured. People are being tortured because they made the military and intelegence agencies look bad on 9/11.

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  13. vApril 24, 2009 at 2:25 PM

    In fact dumb ass, why don't you read the entire authorization given for "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the Bush administration. When you are done, shut up.

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  14. MarionApril 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM

    <h1>anand,</h1>
    <h1>You might want to add the followoing reports to your knowledge, or is Seymour Hersh not a reliable source according to your knowledge?
    </h1>
    <h1>
    </h1>
    <h1>
    </h1>
    <h1>Pulitzer winner Seymour Hersh reveals Cheney's assassination ring, gets no press</h1>

     
    http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-National-Intelligence-Examiner~y2009m3d28-Pulitzer-winner-Seymour-Hersh-reveals-Cheneys-assassination-ring-gets-no-press
     
     
    "Countdown: Cheney's Secret Assassination Ring" at:

     <span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #c00000;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkYvOaA6xk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.examiner.com%2Fx-6495-National-Intelligence-Examiner~y2009m3d28-Pulitzer-winner-Seymour-Hersh-reveals-Cheneys-assas&feature=player_embedded </span></span>
     
    <h1>Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'</h1>

     
    <span style="text-align: justify; font-size: 3pt; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><span style="color: #c00000;">http://www.minnpost.com/ericblackblog/2009/03/11/7310/investigative_reporter_seymour_hersh_describes_executive_assassination_ring</span></span></span>

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  15. thankgodimatheistApril 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM

    To my knowledge the Bush Administration only authorized the torture of three people
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    Not really no!
    Most of the detainees were tortured anand.

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  16. vApril 24, 2009 at 3:41 PM

    No, people were tortured in order to get bogus confessions. It has always been the elite use of torture to get the party(s) to say what the perpetrator of torture wants. Why? They wanted to make everyone think there was a worldwide conspiracy of world class terrorists in order to justify their use of force, which there is not - the "war on terror." That is the bottom line, period. Now, they call "everything" terrorism - even poverty and desperation has been tagged as terror. Your grandma is a terrorist

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  17. DJApril 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM

    V, they are doing what they can to redefine protests and demonstrations as terrorism as well.

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  18. MollyApril 24, 2009 at 5:44 PM

    Yes, Anand, if you are not a fan of free speech or clean air, that is.  

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  19. MollyApril 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    War <span style="font-style: italic;">is</span> torture-- writ large.  

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  20. vApril 24, 2009 at 6:55 PM

    Yes DJ, they are trying really hard to paint everything with the brush of "terrorism" - 
      
    "The Ramsey County Attorney’s Office is preparing to drop terrorism charges against the so-called RNC Eight, according to a source close to discussions about the high-profile prosecutions. The group of activists, who have been accused of a criminal conspiracy to disrupt the Republican National Convention, will still face felony charges of criminal conspiracy to riot and damage property. 
      
    This means that the defendants will no longer be subject to a possible 50-percent enhancement in their prison sentences if ultimately convicted of the charges. The RNC Eight (pictured) are believed to be the first defendants ever charged under the Minnesota version of the federal PATRIOT Act." 
      
    http://minnesotaindependent.com/31596/breaking-terrorism-charges-against-rnc-eight-will-be-dropped

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  21. vApril 24, 2009 at 7:00 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_h0ACIblaQ
     
    full video
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWy-rCM_SQ

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  22. vApril 24, 2009 at 7:19 PM

    How police "legally" murder a child, video -  watch the violence done to the childs body (no sound, you will have to watch) -
     
    http://www.nospank.net/7163793.200k.wmv

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  23. vApril 24, 2009 at 7:29 PM

    MARTIN LEE ANDERSON 1992-2006

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  24. DJApril 26, 2009 at 2:01 PM

    Nordic Terror: UK Puts Iceland on Terrorist List
    One of the casualties of the financial crisis which has gotten little notice in the US is Icleand, and it went down in a particularly ugly fashion. Gordon Brown, the UK's fantastically unpopular Prime Minister, said that Icelandic banks had threatened to not honor obligations to British account holders, so he declared Iceland a terrorist country and seized the banks assets. This caused the banks to go under and the Icelandic economy to implode to the extent that if Russia hadn't sent them billions of dollars, they would have literally starved, since they need to import food.
    <span style="color: #003399;">http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/2...terrorist-list/ </span>

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