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Thursday, January 12, 2012
U.S. Marines Urinating On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan
Video showing four Marines urinating on the apparently dead bodies of three men sprawled on the ground in front of them. One of the men says, "Have a great day, buddy." A voice asks, "You got it on the video?" to which another voice responds, "Yeah." Another jokes, "Golden, like a shower." ------------------ Let's give some credit to the Us forces for not pretending to be "the most moral army" as the despicable Israeli Occupation Forces do.
<span>They should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the Marines.</span> <span></span> <span>Why are you promoting violence, vza? Would Gandhi approve?</span> <span> :) </span>
98% of Americans viscerally support this act. Even if our leadership must publicly decry it. Marines kill sandnigger filth - they can piss wherever they fucking like.
Sorry, but that is just plain stupid. If nothing else, you should be against this sort of thing because it makes it more diffficult and dangerous for our soldiers to do what they need to do, and provides the enemy with propaganda. I also do not think much of their intelligence if they were dumb enough to video their disgusting behavior. This was an irresponsible breakdown in Marine discipline, a failure of leadership and training, and just plain sickening.
Yes, "disgusting" hardly begins to describe it. Interesting though that from the reporting you would think this is worse than killing people by ground & remote controlled drone attacks.
Good advise vza, but just tell me who is the enemy ? Iraq Afghanistan Libya who ? there's hardly a nation or a government that you didn't fight ,interfere with and bullied .... Oh boy you really are beyond redemption ,totally brainwashed and sound asleep. I have plenty of reasons to call America an enemy ,yet i don't feel America or Americans are my enemies . You say: "<span>if they were dumb enough to video their disgusting behaviour."</span>
Would you rather this incident goes under the carpet , so no one know ,you're pathetic and more so than Fleming at least he has the courage to declare openly his racism and prejudice whereas you pretend to play the moderate role , you're not fooling anyone . Let me tell you , one thing your military isn't known for is brain power , these incidents have been happening all the time and it isn't because of <span>irresponsible breakdown in Marine discipline and other crap you're using to justify it. </span> And finally briefly this is not inconsistent with other atrocities and war crimes committed by your beloved military .
" Marines kill sandnigger filth - they can piss wherever they fucking like." We can always rely on this individual to contribute that touch of class. Christopher Hitchens lives on, eh, vza? You know, I believe if he stood for the Republican Presidential nomination he could win.
The enemy is Taliban and if you do not see they are also the enemy of the Afghan people then YOU are beyond redemption,pal. I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too. What you think of me is of little concern, so save your sanctimonious judgments. You characters always have to make it personal, don't you? Is that the only way you know how to argue an issue?
What a lot of liberals won't admit to themselves is when they are declaring we have to "go into countries" to defend our national honor(by rescuing some dictator from his people) or introducing democracy to a young state, that they are advocating this type of incident. These are the type of guys who we need to fight our wars for us. Tom Friedman isn't going to fight them. We need them so much, that the military creates them. And the kicker is they will be coming back to our communities-carrying all the emotional baggage of their training and the acts they-committed for the next fifty years.
There's no proof those dead are of Talibans anyway. Why should we think, in the light of what we're witnessing here, that those despicable individuals posing with their trophies could discerning between fighters and civilians, also knowing that civilians have been indiscriminately killed by the thousands in recent years?
<span><span> <p>"You characters always have to make it personal, don't you?" </p><p>Us "characters" Do you mean: us all Arabs or Moslems, or anyone that disagree with your comments , or perhaps all except pure Americans (Not you anyway) </p><p>What's disappointing is that you know flem's remarks , the man is sick we all see it . but instead of highlighting his racism ,not to mention his sickness, you politely explain he should be against it because (the interesting part) "<span>it makes it more difficult and dangerous for our soldiers to do what they need to do, and provides the enemy with propaganda."</span> </p><p>You're really are supporting all these wars , furthermore "provide the enemy with propaganda" . I /We in here as well in other places and it's not propaganda , it's real,it happened for the umpteen time .Your bigotry is on display for all to see . </p></span></span><span>Last thing;Are we really suppose to trust a group of thugs to tell us who the dead Afghans are , my guess they're civilians like the overwhelming majorities of your war crimes ? . </span>
<p>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too. </p><p>Congratulation for saying something sane . Who are these extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force </p><p>Think hard . </p>
Fleming knows quite well how I feel about some of the things he has said. What on earth would be the point? Shall I call him some names? I do not enjoy the name calling and see no purpose in it. Besides, I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him. That whole issue was incomprehensible to me. Did you notice the phrase, "If nothing else" that preceded my comment to fleming? Obviously, the actions of those Marines are indefensible, but I was hoping that if looked at from an angle of American self -interest, someone who saw nothing wrong in it, could at least admit it was a dumb thing to do. Sigh. I guess it was a bit too optimistic of me to think the "If nothing else" would be understood by you. As for "you characters". I meant anyone who cries about the civilian deaths caused by the West, but ignores those that are committed daily by the fanatics...deaths , I might add, that happened in your lands long before an American occupation. Hafez Assad killed thousands in Hama. Happened the same year as Sabra and Shatilla. Thousands more people were slaughtered in Hama and yet Hama was met with silence and the other is commemorated and still spoken of with outrage. Right now, Assad the younger is slaughtering more Syrians. Why isn't Syria filling up with fighters coming to the aid of their brothers...as they did in Iraq?
So please, spare me your self-righteous, sanctimonius horror about civilian deaths until you expend as much emotion over the hanging of a 7 year old boy or the butchering of teachers and students. And before you trot out that old saw about none of this happening if there was no American occupation. Read up on what happened to the Hazara people in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Not an American in sight. And your world was silent.
You are in Australia, we are not forcing you to do anything. If you so vehemently diasagree with Australia as our ally, you do have some options. Think hard.
<span><span>You are in Australia, we are not forcing you to do anything. If you so vehemently diasagree with Australia as our ally, you do have some options. </span>
What a strange argument here!? He's not supposed to oppose the US foreign's policy because his country, Australia, is an ally of the US and if he doesn't agree he should move out? All ctizens must accept their country's policies right or wrong? VAA is Austrailan and he's been so for 25 years. He chose the option of living there and disagree.I don't have a problem with that. </span>
I did think hard and found your comment to be irrelevant and somehow racist , why should't matter where i am , even if i was in the US , this won't be your decision. So why not elaborate on your statement/allegation "<span>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too." ?</span> Again who are these extremist Americans ?
<span>I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him.</span>
Not really. Others, luckily very few, were banned but they did not go berserk and they didn't resort to the vilest, most unimagibnable racist attacks. A proof of his unabashed racism, bigotry is that in one of his filthy comments he did also talk in the most disparaging fashion of the Jews too. The guy is just a uniquely racist pig and was barely trying to hide it, badly I should say, before he was banned.
<span><span>I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him.</span> </span> So according to vza , this stuff is pointed at TGIA , calm down everyone , he comes up with the most reacist comments calling TG and others sand niggers and so on. But calm down , it's justified . Well now i understand what bond exist between these two.
<span>VAA is Australian and he's been so for 25 years.</span> Not 25 it's 35 . But as i said before it's irrelevant and no one's business .Certainly not vza. This remind me of an incident that happened long ago where by an Iraqi intellect criticised certain Arab regime , he was physically assaulted by a national of that Arab regime , according to that national , he can criticise his own regime but foreigners can't . Well this is vza.
Who are these extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force
I do not care where you live. Just do not claim Americans are trying to force YOU to do anything. You are in Australia. The remainder was sarcasm meeting your...Think about it.
<span><span>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too.</span></span>
Why in the world must this be explained to you? For example, if some Americans formed a group that would attempt to overturn abortion rights by force...as in the crazies who shot and killed a doctor. I'd consider them enemies of the American people.
All I know is that I asked fleming once why he was writing those outrageous things and he basically said he was just living up to your expectations. You dismissed all that he said as racism, so he just gave you plenty of it back.
When I did a 180 on the issue of Israel, fleming did not strike out at me with any vile stuff, and had never done so when we disagreed. I can be civil to him and about him because that is how he dealt with me. That does not mean I agree with his outrageous comments. When a certain commenter (You know who!) would write the most vile, sexist garbage directed at me, there was great tolerance here for that kind of stuff for a long time before anything was said. You continued to interact with him, but I do not believe you agreed with his sexism.
<span>I asked fleming once why he was writing those outrageous things and he basically said he was just living up to your expectations.</span>
He lied. Let's remember that he was also banned on As'ad's blog for extreme, violent verbal abuse directed at Truth Addict. Also, just ask Jemmy why after he was allowed free to comment on his blog he was banned once again. Did you read the stuff he used to post there? Even worse than anything he posted here, though articulated in a less trashy way but the substance was the same. The guy is sick, drunken with hatred..
Disgusting. They should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the Marines.
ReplyDelete<span>They should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged from the Marines.</span>
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<span>Why are you promoting violence, vza? Would Gandhi approve?</span>
<span> :) </span>
98% of Americans viscerally support this act. Even if our leadership must publicly decry it. Marines kill sandnigger filth - they can piss wherever they fucking like.
ReplyDeleteComprehende bitch?
<span>Didn't know that someone who's an escapee of Arkham Asylum can talk in the name of 98% of Americans..</span>
ReplyDeleteSorry, but that is just plain stupid. If nothing else, you should be against this sort of thing because it makes it more diffficult and dangerous for our soldiers to do what they need to do, and provides the enemy with propaganda. I also do not think much of their intelligence if they were dumb enough to video their disgusting behavior. This was an irresponsible breakdown in Marine discipline, a failure of leadership and training, and just plain sickening.
ReplyDeleteFleming, there is help for you. First you have to own up to your, um, illness, though.
ReplyDeleteYes, "disgusting" hardly begins to describe it. Interesting though that from the reporting you would think this is worse than killing people by ground & remote controlled drone attacks.
ReplyDeleteGood advise vza, but just tell me who is the enemy ? Iraq Afghanistan Libya who ? there's hardly a nation or a government that you didn't fight ,interfere with and bullied ....
ReplyDeleteOh boy you really are beyond redemption ,totally brainwashed and sound asleep. I have plenty of reasons to call America an enemy ,yet i don't feel America or Americans are my enemies .
You say:
"<span>if they were dumb enough to video their disgusting behaviour."</span>
Would you rather this incident goes under the carpet , so no one
know ,you're pathetic and more so than Fleming at least he has the courage to declare openly his racism and prejudice whereas you pretend to play the moderate role , you're not fooling anyone .
Let me tell you , one thing your military isn't known for is brain power , these incidents have been happening all the time and it isn't because of <span>irresponsible breakdown in Marine discipline and other crap you're using to justify it. </span>
And finally briefly this is not inconsistent with other atrocities and war crimes committed by your beloved military .
" Marines kill sandnigger filth - they can piss wherever they fucking like."
ReplyDeleteWe can always rely on this individual to contribute that touch of class. Christopher Hitchens lives on, eh, vza?
You know, I believe if he stood for the Republican Presidential nomination he could win.
The enemy is Taliban and if you do not see they are also the enemy of the Afghan people then YOU are beyond redemption,pal. I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too.
ReplyDeleteWhat you think of me is of little concern, so save your sanctimonious judgments. You characters always have to make it personal, don't you? Is that the only way you know how to argue an issue?
vza
ReplyDeletewho says those dead people were taliban ? they had no arms on them except Wheelbarrows ? what would Talibans have wheelbarrows with them ?
What a lot of liberals won't admit to themselves is when they are declaring we have to "go into countries" to defend our national honor(by rescuing some dictator from his people) or introducing democracy to a young state, that they are advocating this type of incident. These are the type of guys who we need to fight our wars for us. Tom Friedman isn't going to fight them. We need them so much, that the military creates them. And the kicker is they will be coming back to our communities-carrying all the emotional baggage of their training and the acts they-committed for the next fifty years.
ReplyDeleteThere's no proof those dead are of Talibans anyway. Why should we think, in the light of what we're witnessing here, that those despicable individuals posing with their trophies could discerning between fighters and civilians, also knowing that civilians have been indiscriminately killed by the thousands in recent years?
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ReplyDelete<p>"You characters always have to make it personal, don't you?"
</p><p>Us "characters" Do you mean: us all Arabs or Moslems, or anyone that disagree with your comments , or perhaps all except pure Americans (Not you anyway)
</p><p>What's disappointing is that you know flem's remarks , the man is sick we all see it . but instead of highlighting his racism ,not to mention his sickness, you politely explain he should be against it because (the interesting part) "<span>it makes it more difficult and dangerous for our soldiers to do what they need to do, and provides the enemy with propaganda."</span>
</p><p>You're really are supporting all these wars , furthermore "provide the enemy with propaganda" . I /We in here as well in other places and it's not propaganda , it's real,it happened for the umpteen time .Your bigotry is on display for all to see .
</p></span></span><span>Last thing;Are we really suppose to trust a group of thugs to tell us who the dead Afghans are , my guess they're civilians like the overwhelming majorities of your war crimes ? . </span>
<p>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too.
ReplyDelete</p><p>Congratulation for saying something sane . Who are these extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force
</p><p>Think hard .
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They're most likely civilian victims , i don't believe a word uttered by these thugs from their chief commander to these idiots on the ground.
ReplyDeleteFleming knows quite well how I feel about some of the things he has said. What on earth would be the point? Shall I call him some names? I do not enjoy the name calling and see no purpose in it. Besides, I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him. That whole issue was incomprehensible to me.
ReplyDeleteDid you notice the phrase, "If nothing else" that preceded my comment to fleming? Obviously, the actions of those Marines are indefensible, but I was hoping that if looked at from an angle of American self -interest, someone who saw nothing wrong in it, could at least admit it was a dumb thing to do.
Sigh. I guess it was a bit too optimistic of me to think the "If nothing else" would be understood by you.
As for "you characters". I meant anyone who cries about the civilian deaths caused by the West, but ignores those that are committed daily by the fanatics...deaths , I might add, that happened in your lands long before an American occupation. Hafez Assad killed thousands in Hama. Happened the same year as Sabra and Shatilla. Thousands more people were slaughtered in Hama and yet Hama was met with silence and the other is commemorated and still spoken of with outrage. Right now, Assad the younger is slaughtering more Syrians. Why isn't Syria filling up with fighters coming to the aid of their brothers...as they did in Iraq?
So please, spare me your self-righteous, sanctimonius horror about civilian deaths until you expend as much emotion over the hanging of a 7 year old boy or the butchering of teachers and students. And before you trot out that old saw about none of this happening if there was no American occupation. Read up on what happened to the Hazara people in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Not an American in sight. And your world was silent.
You are in Australia, we are not forcing you to do anything.
ReplyDeleteIf you so vehemently diasagree with Australia as our ally, you do have some options.
Think hard.
<span><span>You are in Australia, we are not forcing you to do anything.
ReplyDeleteIf you so vehemently diasagree with Australia as our ally, you do have some options. </span>
What a strange argument here!? He's not supposed to oppose the US foreign's policy because his country, Australia, is an ally of the US and if he doesn't agree he should move out? All ctizens must accept their country's policies right or wrong? VAA is Austrailan and he's been so for 25 years. He chose the option of living there and disagree.I don't have a problem with that.
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I did think hard and found your comment to be irrelevant and somehow racist , why should't matter where i am , even if i was in the US , this won't be your decision. So why not elaborate on your statement/allegation
ReplyDelete"<span>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too." ?</span>
Again who are these extremist Americans ?
<span>I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him.</span>
ReplyDeleteNot really. Others, luckily very few, were banned but they did not go berserk and they didn't resort to the vilest, most unimagibnable racist attacks. A proof of his unabashed racism, bigotry is that in one of his filthy comments he did also talk in the most disparaging fashion of the Jews too. The guy is just a uniquely racist pig and was barely trying to hide it, badly I should say, before he was banned.
<span><span>I think he writes nine-tenths of that stuff just to get back at Tgia for banning him.</span> </span>
ReplyDeleteSo according to vza , this stuff is pointed at TGIA , calm down everyone , he comes up with the most reacist comments calling TG and others sand niggers and so on. But calm down , it's justified . Well now i understand what bond exist between these two.
<span>VAA is Australian and he's been so for 25 years.</span>
ReplyDeleteNot 25 it's 35 . But as i said before it's irrelevant and no one's business .Certainly not vza.
This remind me of an incident that happened long ago where by an Iraqi intellect criticised certain Arab regime , he was physically assaulted by a national of that Arab regime , according to that national , he can criticise his own regime but foreigners can't . Well this is vza.
<span> But calm down , it's justified .</span>
ReplyDeleteSigh.
Who are these extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force
ReplyDeleteI do not care where you live. Just do not claim Americans are trying to force YOU to do anything. You are in Australia. The remainder was sarcasm meeting your...Think about it.
<span><span>I would consider extremist Americans who want to impose their own beliefs on the rest of us by force as enemies of the American people, too.</span></span>
Why in the world must this be explained to you? For example, if some Americans formed a group that would attempt to overturn abortion rights by force...as in the crazies who shot and killed a doctor. I'd consider them enemies of the American people.
All I know is that I asked fleming once why he was writing those outrageous things and he basically said he was just living up to your expectations. You dismissed all that he said as racism, so he just gave you plenty of it back.
ReplyDeleteWhen I did a 180 on the issue of Israel, fleming did not strike out at me with any vile stuff, and had never done so when we disagreed. I can be civil to him and about him because that is how he dealt with me. That does not mean I agree with his outrageous comments.
When a certain commenter (You know who!) would write the most vile, sexist garbage directed at me, there was great tolerance here for that kind of stuff for a long time before anything was said. You continued to interact with him, but I do not believe you agreed with his sexism.
<span>I asked fleming once why he was writing those outrageous things and he basically said he was just living up to your expectations.</span>
ReplyDeleteHe lied. Let's remember that he was also banned on As'ad's blog for extreme, violent verbal abuse directed at Truth Addict. Also, just ask Jemmy why after he was allowed free to comment on his blog he was banned once again. Did you read the stuff he used to post there? Even worse than anything he posted here, though articulated in a less trashy way but the substance was the same. The guy is sick, drunken with hatred..
More proof that it isn't personal beteween this grub and me just check what he has posted on Jemmy's and come back and tell me this guy isn't insane..
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