<span><span>This is embarrassing , couldn't watch it all. Asked about Human rights abuses in Israel's and Egypt , and he blabbers about the US-Israeli's friendship and security of Israel , as if one justifies the other.</span> anan sees a Messiah in him , I see a bullshit artist messiah.</span>
Yes, vaa, "bullshit" is the first word that springs to mind. Does the expression "a load of old flannel" mean anything to non-Brits? Has the young lady been expelled from her university yet?
What on earth did you expect him to say? If he were willing to give up on a second term, he might...might present a more fair assessment of the conflict to the American people. All sorts of Democratic donors would abandon him if he comes down too hard on Israel.
Angry Arab: (I noticed it was a really stupid statement)
The Middle East has obviously plagued the region for <span>centuries."</span> If Bush came up with this dumb observation, he would widely mocked. Obama should be equally mocked for this dumb statement. But play the whole clip and see how awful, cowardly, nervous, and stupid he sounds in the answer he gave. Every day, Obama provides me with justifications to oppose him from the very beginning. I wonder how all those leftists I know feel about him now, domestically and internationally.
Maybe Arab Americans think that Americans will like Obama more if he just blasts Israel and insists on Palestinian rights and self-determination. LOL!
I don't think the Arabs and Arab Americans in general understand what Obama has to deal with. In the minds of most Americans, Israel is still the innocent victim and the Arabs are terrorists. Maybe that's why Clinton and the Bushes waited until the end of their Presidencies to tackle the Israel/Palestine problem.
I might tough it out and watch the other half. vza Shouldn't a president does what he said he would. Essentially that was the question the student asked. ?
The Messiah has slightly disappointed me on Palestine. Obama is scared of Bibi and lets Bibi push him around. It is embarrasing the way Israel kicks America around.
I think Obama believes that he lacks to power to force Bibi to do anything; and that Bibi doesn't want to do anything. Therefore why waste his political capital pushing Israel right now? Why not wait for a future time when his political capital might be used more effectively.
I think Palestine is like Health Care reform from Obama's perspective. Obama wasted a lot of his popularity of political capital on Health Care reform but failed. However, in the process his popularity fell from 80% to 45%. Many Americans lost their confidence and faith in the Chosen One. This might have been worth it if the "One" got health care reform in the process; but as it stands now . . . this loss in capital is a waste.
Obama doesn't want to waste more political capital unless he is sure he can achieve a just solution between Palestinians and Israelis. Once he tries his popularity probably drop from 46% to 26% (or Pres Bush levels.) Why should Obama do that if after all this sacrifice he won't achieve anything?
<span>Well, they *tried* to tackle the problem. The problem is still up and running towards armageddon. That's another thing - many conservative Americans believe that America must stand by Israel no matter what, and the fundamentalist Christians think that all the Jews must return to their "historical homeland" and that all of Palestine belongs to Israel. Fundamentalist Christians were the base of Dubya's support.
Conservatives have been making a comeback in American politics, and this is no time to blast Israel, definitely not at a time when domestic politics are more important. He's not even talking about Israel, and politically that is a wise move right now.
His admin may decide that Israel is too sensitive a subject and he may wait until the end of his presidency, or he may even wait until his second term to really tackle the problem. I just hope that Armageddon will not have already happened by the time he wins a second term in office, if he wins. </span>
Yes, he should VAA, but did you really expect any other answer? And you know and I know the student knew his answer before she even asked the question! I am glad she asked because the more people who publicly ask that type of question, the more the discussion becomes a little less one sided.
half true - most Arabs in Jordan and Egypt I've met don't really care much for Palestinians - their complaints are that they're ungrateful, feel entitled and will rip you off every chance they get.
That's horrible. If non Palestinian Sunni Arabs mistreat Palestinians; how can they have the moral standing to demand that Israel not mistreat Palestinians?
Everyone should stop kicking the Palestinians around. Israel's defense of their abuse of Palestinians is often that the Arabs abuse Palestinians too. What a lame excuse! And how lame are the Sunni Arabs for giving Israel an excuse.
Any Arab country or Israel would benefit greatly from Palestinians moving to their country and contributing to the local economy and civil society.
LegalI, how dare they claim that Palestinians are ungrateful, feel entitled, and rip you off every chance they get? Have they all been brainwashed by Likud propoganda?
But I think the reason Arabs go nuts over Palestine is because the racism that gets under their skin. the idea that a European power can hand over Arab land to another group of Europeans and enforce the injustice for decades with total impunity.
and the injustice continues. Some Americans still refuse to learn the history. Some prefer to believe simply that God gave Palestine to the Jews and therefore America must support "God". It is quite infuriating.
Legal I, Shiite Arabs have been severely oppressed for over a millenia.
Shiite Arabs and Palestinians are both oppressed. Both should be helped.
I don't approve of how extreme Nasrallah has become or how he pushes a sectarian agenda; however the reason that Hezbollah exists is because of centuries of horrible oppression of the Lebanese Shia and more recent abuse of the Shia in the 1970s and 1980s.
In Iraq, the extremist Shia militias were a reaction to years of harsh oppression and treatment.
We also see abuse of Yemenese and Saudi Shiites; which has started to cause an extreme response there.
The Palestinians are not the only abused and oppressed people in the world.
I also think that anecdotally Shiites are nicer to oppressed people, nonmuslims, Sufis and lesser muslims.
and on this issue the people, being the biased God-fearing Americans they are, might vote out Obama if he's hard on Israel and in 2012 they might elect Sarah Palin, who might reverse the progress Obama will have made.
The American people must be educated on the history and plight of the Palestinians if there is to be progress on this issue, and Arabs should also understand the history of the European Jews and they should understand that ANY American president will say that Israel's security and friendship are very important to the US.
true, but it's more than money. it's about religion and the portrayal of America as saving the Jews from complete annihilation in WWII. it's about how the American media covers (or doesn't cover) the conflict in Palestine.
<span><span></span></span> <span></span><span> why do you have to add "sunni"? why not just non-P Arabs?</span> <span></span>----------------------- We asked this question before but anan won't respond for an obvious reason...It's all very clear now.
Yeah, and the "progress" has all been for the Israelis in any official actions. There might be progress in understanding what is occuring in Palestine, but it has nothing to do with the US government - and any progress of a substantive sort has only been made by the people.
ZID Why don't you flush it in the toilet , why do you persist with your verbal diarrhoea , every single word of every comment you make is nothing but a complete fabrication of a sick useless mind , you're unable to comprehend the most basic of basics.Your entire universe tick along Sunni this Shia that Non Arab this , Arab that , you would've confused George Boole himself had he being alive . Are you really that stupid or you pretend to be . I think you pretend to be stupid , i think you're a a part of some secret security apparatus of some kind ( Blog spy may be ?) What other explanation is there ?
<span>Clarification : <span>George Boole is an English mathematician who published his book , "The Mathematical Analysis of Logic."</span> <span>Boole said and proved amongst other things : </span> </span> Logically: <span><span>1 and 1=0</span> 0 and 0=1</span>
<span><span>This is embarrassing , couldn't watch it all. Asked about Human rights abuses in Israel's and Egypt , and he blabbers about the US-Israeli's friendship and security of Israel , as if one justifies the other.</span>
ReplyDeleteanan sees a Messiah in him , I see a bullshit artist messiah.</span>
awesome she didn't give a $h!t about the hecklers. that happened to me once and it PISSED ME OFF!
ReplyDeletei can see obama is willing to be a one-term prez
ReplyDeleteYes, vaa, "bullshit" is the first word that springs to mind. Does the expression "a load of old flannel" mean anything to non-Brits?
ReplyDeleteHas the young lady been expelled from her university yet?
What on earth did you expect him to say? If he were willing to give up on a second term, he might...might present a more fair assessment of the conflict to the American people. All sorts of Democratic donors would abandon him if he comes down too hard on Israel.
ReplyDeleteAngry Arab: (I noticed it was a really stupid statement)
ReplyDeleteThe Middle East has obviously plagued the region for <span>centuries."</span> If Bush came up with this dumb observation, he would widely mocked. Obama should be equally mocked for this dumb statement. But play the whole clip and see how awful, cowardly, nervous, and stupid he sounds in the answer he gave. Every day, Obama provides me with justifications to oppose him from the very beginning. I wonder how all those leftists I know feel about him now, domestically and internationally.
but he did say he would rather be a good prez for one term than a mediocre one for two. he lied! :(
ReplyDeleteYou think he'd be a two term prez if he gets tough with Israel?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Arab Americans think that Americans will like Obama more if he just blasts Israel and insists on Palestinian rights and self-determination. LOL!
ReplyDeleteI don't think the Arabs and Arab Americans in general understand what Obama has to deal with. In the minds of most Americans, Israel is still the innocent victim and the Arabs are terrorists. Maybe that's why Clinton and the Bushes waited until the end of their Presidencies to tackle the Israel/Palestine problem.
I might tough it out and watch the other half.
ReplyDeletevza
Shouldn't a president does what he said he would. Essentially that was the question the student asked. ?
J.Hope
ReplyDelete<span>"a load of old flannel"</span>
Haven't heard it before but sounds good.
The Messiah has slightly disappointed me on Palestine. Obama is scared of Bibi and lets Bibi push him around. It is embarrasing the way Israel kicks America around.
ReplyDeleteI think Obama believes that he lacks to power to force Bibi to do anything; and that Bibi doesn't want to do anything. Therefore why waste his political capital pushing Israel right now? Why not wait for a future time when his political capital might be used more effectively.
I think Palestine is like Health Care reform from Obama's perspective. Obama wasted a lot of his popularity of political capital on Health Care reform but failed. However, in the process his popularity fell from 80% to 45%. Many Americans lost their confidence and faith in the Chosen One. This might have been worth it if the "One" got health care reform in the process; but as it stands now . . . this loss in capital is a waste.
Obama doesn't want to waste more political capital unless he is sure he can achieve a just solution between Palestinians and Israelis. Once he tries his popularity probably drop from 46% to 26% (or Pres Bush levels.) Why should Obama do that if after all this sacrifice he won't achieve anything?
<span>Well, they *tried* to tackle the problem. The problem is still up and running towards armageddon. That's another thing - many conservative Americans believe that America must stand by Israel no matter what, and the fundamentalist Christians think that all the Jews must return to their "historical homeland" and that all of Palestine belongs to Israel. Fundamentalist Christians were the base of Dubya's support.
ReplyDeleteConservatives have been making a comeback in American politics, and this is no time to blast Israel, definitely not at a time when domestic politics are more important. He's not even talking about Israel, and politically that is a wise move right now.
His admin may decide that Israel is too sensitive a subject and he may wait until the end of his presidency, or he may even wait until his second term to really tackle the problem. I just hope that Armageddon will not have already happened by the time he wins a second term in office, if he wins. </span>
In the Arab mind, the world revolves around Palestine. No cause is greater than the Palestinian cause and they wonder what the hell Obama is thinking.
ReplyDeleteYes, he should VAA, but did you really expect any other answer? And you know and I know the student knew his answer before she even asked the question! I am glad she asked because the more people who publicly ask that type of question, the more the discussion becomes a little less one sided.
ReplyDeleteYeah right. I shall not hold my breath. He has been, on many levels, a huge disappointment.
ReplyDeletehalf true - most Arabs in Jordan and Egypt I've met don't really care much for Palestinians - their complaints are that they're ungrateful, feel entitled and will rip you off every chance they get.
ReplyDeletei was being sarcastic. he said he was willing to be a one term prez
ReplyDeleteThat's horrible. If non Palestinian Sunni Arabs mistreat Palestinians; how can they have the moral standing to demand that Israel not mistreat Palestinians?
ReplyDeleteEveryone should stop kicking the Palestinians around. Israel's defense of their abuse of Palestinians is often that the Arabs abuse Palestinians too. What a lame excuse! And how lame are the Sunni Arabs for giving Israel an excuse.
Any Arab country or Israel would benefit greatly from Palestinians moving to their country and contributing to the local economy and civil society.
LegalI, how dare they claim that Palestinians are ungrateful, feel entitled, and rip you off every chance they get? Have they all been brainwashed by Likud propoganda?
"<span>most Arabs in Jordan and Egypt I've met don't really care much for Palestinians "</span>
ReplyDeleteReally??
yeah, totally. it surprised me at first.
ReplyDeleteby the way, to answer you down below: I abhor Starbucks even more than American Idol.
I meant to ask you what was that coffee place you recommended in Cairo? began with a D.
anan, i dont have an answer, but i do have a question. why do you have to add "sunni"? why not just non-P Arabs?
ReplyDeleteBut I think the reason Arabs go nuts over Palestine is because the racism that gets under their skin. the idea that a European power can hand over Arab land to another group of Europeans and enforce the injustice for decades with total impunity.
ReplyDeleteCafe del Doge: http://www.caffedeldoge.it/en/dovecaffetterie.htm
ReplyDeleteand the injustice continues. Some Americans still refuse to learn the history. Some prefer to believe simply that God gave Palestine to the Jews and therefore America must support "God". It is quite infuriating.
ReplyDeleteLegal I, Shiite Arabs have been severely oppressed for over a millenia.
ReplyDeleteShiite Arabs and Palestinians are both oppressed. Both should be helped.
I don't approve of how extreme Nasrallah has become or how he pushes a sectarian agenda; however the reason that Hezbollah exists is because of centuries of horrible oppression of the Lebanese Shia and more recent abuse of the Shia in the 1970s and 1980s.
In Iraq, the extremist Shia militias were a reaction to years of harsh oppression and treatment.
We also see abuse of Yemenese and Saudi Shiites; which has started to cause an extreme response there.
The Palestinians are not the only abused and oppressed people in the world.
I also think that anecdotally Shiites are nicer to oppressed people, nonmuslims, Sufis and lesser muslims.
it's the chicken or the egg, IM. u got it backwards. the people follow the policymakers not vice versa
ReplyDeleteat least on this issue
ReplyDeletehm. i see
ReplyDeleteand on this issue the people, being the biased God-fearing Americans they are, might vote out Obama if he's hard on Israel and in 2012 they might elect Sarah Palin, who might reverse the progress Obama will have made.
ReplyDeleteThe American people must be educated on the history and plight of the Palestinians if there is to be progress on this issue, and Arabs should also understand the history of the European Jews and they should understand that ANY American president will say that Israel's security and friendship are very important to the US.
... and the policy makers follow the money - whores.
ReplyDeletetrue, but it's more than money. it's about religion and the portrayal of America as saving the Jews from complete annihilation in WWII. it's about how the American media covers (or doesn't cover) the conflict in Palestine.
ReplyDeletethere has been some progress, but it's been slow.
<span><span>The Messiah</span>
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Are you talking about the asshole we're talking about?</span>
<span><span></span></span>
ReplyDelete<span></span><span> why do you have to add "sunni"? why not just non-P Arabs?</span>
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We asked this question before but anan won't respond for an obvious reason...It's all very clear now.
Yeah, and the "progress" has all been for the Israelis in any official actions. There might be progress in understanding what is occuring in Palestine, but it has nothing to do with the US government - and any progress of a substantive sort has only been made by the people.
ReplyDeletewhat's the reason?
ReplyDeleteZID
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you flush it in the toilet , why do you persist with your verbal diarrhoea , every single word of every comment you make is nothing but a complete fabrication of a sick useless mind , you're unable to comprehend the most basic of basics.Your entire universe tick along Sunni this Shia that Non Arab this , Arab that , you would've confused George Boole himself had he being alive . Are you really that stupid or you pretend to be . I think you pretend to be stupid , i think you're a a part of some secret security apparatus of some kind ( Blog spy may be ?)
What other explanation is there ?
<span>Clarification : <span>George Boole is an English mathematician who published his book , "The Mathematical Analysis of Logic."</span>
ReplyDelete<span>Boole said and proved amongst other things : </span> </span>
Logically:
<span><span>1 and 1=0</span>
0 and 0=1</span>
<span> Once there was a Boole and now there's a Mahboole !</span>
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