Friday, October 2, 2009

An important comment which may have gone unnoticed

I found this comment made by yasmin in response to a question about the partition.. This is extraordinary because it challenges,convincingly I should add, the most common version of how Israel came to be..

"First, Israel wasn't created through "partition." this may surprise some people. The Security Council and the British refused to enforce the plan. The US - finally realizing the plan was probably illegal and clearly unjust - proposed a UN trusteeship, which was a plan for one state of Palestine and provided that Arabs and Jews would decide on their government by referendum, and that future immigration would not be based on race or religion. In short, the trusteeship was designed to protect the right to self-determination of both peoples. But it was too late - the the trusteeship was never voted on, the Zionist militias took over and conquered more of the land than in the plan, and drove Palestinians out of their homes through massacres, created 750,000 refugees, and in effect establishment their own version of partition. which went beyond the partition plan."

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  1. of course now Israelis point to the partition plan for proof of their country's legitimacy, but the reality is that it was non-binding and only enforceable by the UNSC and the mandatory power, and they chose not to.  and the zionists rejected it then - they felt all of palestine was theirs.

    begin, who at that time led Irgun, gave a speech saying it was illegal and did not bind the jewish people.

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  2. the other interesting thing is that the USG, based on declassified state dept docs, did not like the idea of a jewish state either - and didn't feel like they were obligated by the balfour decl to provide one.  

    also, the delegation at the un was stunned when truman recognized israel.  they had no warning.  they thought they were working hard for a solution - what just happened?

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  3. <span>what just happened?</span>
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    Oh, wait, we know the answer for that one...Truman was made an offer he couldn't refuse..The Zionist lobby threatened to "drive him out of town"..This is well documented now.

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  4. <span><span>what just happened?</span> 
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    Oh, wait, we know the answer to that one...Truman was made an offer he couldn't refuse..The Zionist lobby threatened to "drive him out of town"..This is well documented now.</span>

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  5. They could do this to Truman via threatening him for taking a large sum of money from them for his faltering campaign.  A suitcase of money with strings attached regarding Israel

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  6. politicians should only be allowed one term, i've decided.  and no lobbyists.

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  7. what's the story - don't know it.

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  8. To quote (link to forward below by Gore Vidal) -

    "Sometime in the late 1950's, the world class gossip and occasional historian,  John F. Kennedy, told me how,  in 1948,  Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone we he came to run for president. Then and American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. "That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast." As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics."

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/11458977/Israel-Shahak-Jewish-HistoryJewish-Religion-Foreword-Gore-Vidal

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  9. <span>To quote (link to forward below by Gore Vidal) - 
     
    "Sometime in the late 1950's, the world class gossip and occasional historian,  John F. Kennedy, told me how,  in 1948,  Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then and American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. "That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast." As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics." 
     
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/11458977/Israel-Shahak-Jewish-HistoryJewish-Religion-Foreword-Gore-Vidal</span>

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  10. interesting.  well all of those efforts got them nowhere if you ask me.

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  11. Palestine should use billions in cash to buy foreign politicians too.

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  12. Interesting idea. Yup, most elected governments and politican parties leave much to be desired.

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  13. Yasmin, please tell us more about what you learned from the group.

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  14. you mean from the book?

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