As part of Tel Aviv's centenary celebration, the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London hosted a Tel Aviv University Special Lecture Series from January to March 2009. Taking place in the midst of Israel's war on Gaza -- which had already mobilized SOAS students to organize a number of activities in solidarity with Gaza, including the first student occupation in the UK -- students and a number of lecturers expressed their opposition to the lecture series.
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I know of one (occasional?) reader of this blog works/teaches/studies at Tel Aviv University..
What's on my mind? No count for the comments anymore, that's what is on my mind!! Bummer!!
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ReplyDeleteThe other site looks good too. The count is now working in here , but the font colour is the same as the B/ground , I can barely see it , with your glasses you won't see it at all unless you tune up the colour scheme . :-D
Excuse My diversion : This is strictly a history note for Fleming. I'm unable to find his comment where he refuted my quote about the analogy " Japan Palestine " where I said Japan didn't face land theft by the US after the 2nd WW whereas Palestine is shrinking by the day to a mere 8% of it's original size. My argument was this analogy does not stand.
ReplyDeleteHis response which I lost after the upgrade !! was in summary that Japan Lost Okinawa as part of the peace treaty therefore the analogy stands.
Anyone please correct any historical mistake i might've made.
In 1951, a U.S.-Japanese peace treaty gave Americans complete administrative control of the Ryukyu for an indefinite period. By referring to the island as a "residual sovereignty," however, the United States still suggested recognition of Japan's basic ownership of the islands. In addition, the United States promised that, when international circumstances warranted, it would return administrative control of the chain to Japan.
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Administrative authority of the Ryukyu Islands was transferred back to Japan May 15, 1972, and Okinawa became a prefectural district of Japan once again</span>
Source : http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/About%20Okinawa/History%20Page.html
Fleming
ReplyDeleteIt might be understandable , that You don't know the history of the conflict or the M.E. it's of no interest to you.
But not knowing key issues about your own history is frankly shameful .
tgia
ReplyDeleteThere are glitches , I can't reply to some comments , when i click reply nothing happens , please fix it !! :-D
Don't worry VAA, replying to fleming does no good anyway. The reply seem to work fine at this time.
ReplyDeleteSoft pity enters an iron gate. -Shakespeare
ReplyDeleteIn regard to the article i certainly agree with the demand of BDS in this instance. However, I am not too pleased with the fact that many institutions are nothing but seeding grounds for the military industrial complex in oppressing people all over the world. Perhaps pointing out this aggravated instance will start a trend.
ReplyDeleteThe Ryukyu islands are key to US history? Really? Come on now.... :)
ReplyDeleteNo analogy is 100% perfect VAA. Obviously. That is why they are analogies.
Take the United States of America. Our founders created a country in a land where others once lived. Do you think the land should be "returned"? Should native americans be granted the "right of return"? The analogy is not exact, but its not completely dissimilar, either.
Net-net, I think most would agree its better the US exists today than if it didnt, even though some were harmed in its making. Dont you?
Yep, I believe complete reparations need to be made in regard to the indigenous population. That large portions of land can be reclaimed, especially those areas being stripped for no other purpose than to line pockets already buldging. I think that it is unnatural for you not to have a similar sentiment fleming.
ReplyDeletewhich visitor to the blog teaches there?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, I know you do, Prof Churchill. :)
ReplyDeleteDont be silly Ward. Almost no one has similar sentiments, so I dont know why you think its "unnatural" that I dont.
My great great great great grandfather robbed a train, or so Im told. So do I "owe" the offspring of the ex owners of the train "complete reparations"? LOL Is your goal the righting of every past wrong? If so you will be one busy SOB....
Tell me V, what have native americans done with the hundreds of thousands of acres they already own? Besides casinos, I mean. Would you say they have exhausted the potential of their current property? Is it the white mans' fault they have not? (of course it is, I know, dont bother)
Look, I think its so sad you are so eager for a giant handout for your people. You must not have any confidence in their abilities. Besides, it wont solve their problems. It will just create new ones. You should encourage them to achieve success in the modern world, not look for large sums of free dough from their dead relatives. Pathetic.
Good for your great " " grandfather, he stole some property, this nation stole lives - it was a genocide. I do not see you complaining about reparations for Holocaust victims, what is the difference - the skin color?
ReplyDeleteYou act as though it was a past act, it continues to this day. Is anyone making money off the land (and all that implies)? Than that is being done to the commiseration of those who it was stolen from, their death and destruction is your enrichment, yesterday and today (don't make me enumerate the current issues). Do not ask questions about their "current property" and bullshit like that if you do not want to hear it - it is just a blatant display of your totally disingenuous question (your rhetorical points are worthless).
Handouts? lol Don't talk about handouts you jackass, with the current bailouts in the trillions. What is the matter, is there no confidence in your champions of finance and industry hypocrite? Don't use the racist responsibility line on me, wrong party fleming - that's like blaming black fathers for condition of their children when the industrial heart has been torn out of the city centers. So it is welfare for you and yours, and your corrupt elites but pull yourself up by your bootstraps for everyone else - especially people of color (black, brown, red) while they are mercilessly beaten by the system, like I said go tell it to some ignorant dote. You're are not only pathetic, you're worthless.
"The nation" stole lives V? Anyone living today? Is there a single person today alive today who did so? Do we bear responsibility for our ancestors sins when we come into the world? Is that what you believe? There is no blank slate at birth. Each person comes into life bearing the sins of his forebearers - straight from the womb to the gas chamber with the children of "elite", huh V?
ReplyDeleteWhat nation hasnt committed "crimes"? Where have people anywjhere on this planet only acted with kindness and love throughout their history? Please do tell.
How far back are you going to go to discover where "compensation is due? What about Ghenghis Khan? Dont his victims children deserve something? How about Egyptians driving out the jews? How many "wrongs" have there been in the history of humanity? You have a lot of work to do V.!! I recently read where "modern humans" may have killed off the neanderthals. Better get on the case, Columbo, we ALL owe somebody some comp! LOL
So, you want the american people to agree that, say a couple of trillion dollars of their wealth, should be transferred into native american hands? You expect that will pass thru congress some day? Then you are quite literally, utterly insane.
Yes, I know we are all little Eichmans, that has been your line from the get-go. It doesnt hold up, hoss. Its a bogus contention.
yes yes, 100% responsibility falls to the white man for all the world's ills. No one bears any fault for their condition. If not for the white man the world would be pure nirvana. What utter bunk. You truly couldnt be any more clueless.
Welfare for me? What? How do you know? I havent received a dime of govt bailout, fool. You really are off the charts crazy. You really are.
Your rage will never abate, as your wishes will never come true. Rage is bad for the health. You are going to die young.
Any response to Thomas Friedman the wise?:
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He is arguing that the West Bank economy is improvining. Is this true? What is happening with West Bank Tax revenue? If West Bank tax revenue increases, Palestine will have the option of refusing foreign grants. This would increase Palestinian leverage on Israel and the international community.
The War On Lies.
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And FYI, in my social circle, 99% have college degrees, at least, and work in professional, white collar jobs. A pretty normal group. Fleming . 2 days ago.
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Japan lost Okinawa and several other islands as part of the surrender treaty Fleming.Yesterday morning
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I'm a butcher Fleming.I expect those who "have college degrees , <span style="text-decoration: underline;">at leas</span>t" ,your circle with white collar jobs to know ,Japan did not loose OKINAWA !!! .Please apologise for misinforming us.(It's the decent thing to do ).
<span>"...straight from the womb to the gas chamber with the children of "elite", huh V?" fleming</span>
ReplyDeleteOnly in your case you crusty old fart...lol
<span>"Where have people anywjhere on this planet only acted with kindness and love throughout their history?"</span>
I am not talking about other parts of the planet, are we going to do the vza around the world tour?
<span> "You expect that will pass thru congress some day?"</span>
No, i do not expect it to come up in any bill let alone pass, that is why (along with a myriad of other atrocities) this country is going to fall with a big crash, faster than Rome. In fact, it does not deserve to subsist in its current form, its going to come down.
<span>"Yes, I know we are all little Eichmans..." </span>
No, you are, that is why you verbally goose step every time you post here.
<span>"yes yes, 100% responsibility falls to the white man for all the world's ills."</span>
Systemically, the "white man" is at the steering wheel of the vehicle of destruction. Either he bails, or he gets blown up with the machine.
<span>"Welfare for me? What? How do you know? I havent received a dime of govt bailout, fool. You really are off the charts crazy. You really are."</span>
No, you are crazy, and everything you have received flows from what is done systemically, and the destruction of people everywhere. Time to wake up and smell the sauce Rip Van Denial - resist or perish.
Your right, I am enraged
You expect too much than VAA. LOL Who cares about freakin Okinawa. The point is the Japanese UNCONDITIONALLY surrendered in order they save their country from annihilation. With OUR help they have since recovered and are now a great economic power.
ReplyDeleteYet you still see no lesson there. wow.
So you're gonnna kill all the whiteys who dont acquiesce to your crazed demands v? Gosh, you really are going to be quite busy. Better free up that calendar. LOL
ReplyDeleteYour ramblings about 'everything ive received comes from the people" is the ultimate in nutball-ville. You see, there is this whole economic system. Even ordering a hamburger from Mcdonald's takes a cooperatitve approach that goes many steps back. I know this. Everyone knows this. It is the way things work. There is no mystery to it. We all get it. And it works very well. No one is angry about it except you.
Get some help man. Rage never solved a thing. And please, do tell us before you go off on some rampage. Innocent people, even white ones, dont deserve to die because of your incessant rage.
PS: Remember what Clint Eastwood said to Gene Hackman in "Unforgiven" just before shooting him: Deserving's got nothing to do with it"
It's Ironic.
ReplyDeleteIt was not until 1967 that the Australian Aborigines were recognized as Australian citizens or given the right to vote, even though they trace their origins back more than 40,000 years. They were killed by the thousands to the point of near extinction in at least on state "Tasmania " .By some they are still blamed for their poor living standards and short life span. Conveniently leaving out the harsh treatment they endured for a long time like what is known in here as the " stolen generation " , that was failed efforts by successive Governments to conform them to the white man values ,Aboriginal families were divided , children were removed by state , federal agencies and church missions , so they could be brought up ‘white’ and taught to reject their Aboriginality . in some cases this lasted till 1970. It was till 1976 the Australian government enacted land-rights legislation that has returned to the aborigines a degree of autonomy.
Last year a formal apology was issued by the new elected Government .
http://reconciliaction.org.au/nsw/education-kit/stolen-generations/
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You're right about the glitch..No frigging idea how to fix it.
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ReplyDelete<span>He is arguing that the West Bank economy is improvining. Is this true?</span>
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I made a post about it yesterday. You commented on it but you OBVIOUSLY didn't read it...Sigh*
http://angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com/2009/08/palestinian-economy-isnt-recovering.html
ReplyDeletePalestinian economy isn't recovering thanks to Israel but in spite of it!!
Native americans control considerable land in the US, about 56 MILLION acres. There are approx 3 million native americans (~1% of us population)
ReplyDeleteAn off topic venture into the past... O:-)
ReplyDeleteMay 1, 2003
—George W. Bush delivers his "Mission Accomplished" speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln. The media reaction is ecstatic... Read More—CNN's Lou Dobbs says, "He looked like an alternatively commander in chief, rock star, movie star, and one of the guys." MSNBC's Chris Matthews goes further:
We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits.
Then all of a sudden, ....
OOPS!
Swell job, Bushie! :-D
Arguing with a wall again, VAA.
ReplyDeleteAnyway he was wrong about Okinawa as he was wrong comparing Germany the mightiest nation in Europe at the time and Japan the mightiest nation in Asia , two countries which had imperialistic inclinations that caused so much suffering in Europe to the impoverished not yet fully formed Palestine...It's beyond absurdity it's...fleming!!!
Leave the idiot alone accept defeat (you don't win an argument against a wall!) and move on saying to yourself like I did, never again!
<span>And FYI, in my social circle, 99% have college degrees, </span>
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Degrees of alcohol ...
Dead-eye Bush!
ReplyDeleteBush told the troops that he came to Baghdad "to look Prime Minister [al-]Maliki in the eyes to determine whether or not he is as dedicated to a free Iraq as you are -- and I believe he is."
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Bush told the troops that he came to Baghdad "to look Prime Minister [al-]Maliki in the eyes to determine whether or not he is as dedicated to a free Iraq as you are -- and I believe he is."
Who cares about freakin Okinawa .Fleming
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Well Fleming ,it was you who brought it up in the first place.
Is there anything that you care about or better still know about ?
I'm done . No need for response.
BTW you might find what goes on in Okinawa's military bases interesting , surely you care about this.
<div>http://i1.democracynow.org/2007/2/27/chalmers_johnson_nemesis_the_last_days</div>
Oh, I almost forgot -
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Bush told the troops that he came to Baghdad "to look Prime Minister [al-]Maliki in the eyes to determine whether or not he is as dedicated to a free Iraq as you are -- and I believe he is." (...) He praised the troops for their service and "for making history," telling them they were working to spread peace and freedom across the Middle East.
ReplyDeleteSwell job, Dead-eye!
I'll Ring you.
ReplyDeleteHitler studied the genocide in the land of the brave and the home of the free, got a lot of ideas for what he was going to do. The Israelis studied carefully what was done to the original people of the Americas, especially what was done in what is now the USA. All murderous settler states exchange notes, assist each other - especially today, because if Israel in its activity is halted than it is just a short jog back to answer for their atrocities. Even when Israel suffers a setback it brings a tear to their eye, it is like watching their child fail.
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ReplyDeletehttp://palestinemonitor.org/spip/spip.php?article1030
Did he say he teaches at Tel Aviv University, TGIA?
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ReplyDeleteThe mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly.
It was vague..He alluded to the cafeteria or the cantine, can't remember..But it really doesn't matter. He's different from the obnoxious (Israeli) mob which visit this site..He seems to be willing to engage in meaningful conversation..I welcome such commentator independently of what his agenda could be...
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Not that we have posted anything about it anand!!</span>
<span>I made a post yesterday. You commented on it but you OBVIOUSLY didn't read it...Really infuriating!!
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<span style="">Any response to Thomas Friedman the wise? anand</span>
ReplyDeleteWacky Waky anand . Do you make it a condition for commenting.
No Read posts , is it boring to read ? this was discussed yesterday , where you posted comments as well. See anand you can't express an opinion based on perception or guess of what the article has to say. Try it,you might like it !!!
Welcome back Mara
ReplyDeleteThis , with the shoes incident ( 1 pair not single ) have to be my favourite highlights , in otherwise very sadistic miserable war.
Bush , not the troops made history. :-D
Yes VAA, note the refrain in this song "I'll turn you into me, I'll turn you into me..."
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http://www.youtube.com/v/9uIj0YvDBKE
ReplyDeleteShoe throwing competition
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<span>Arguing with a wall again, VAA.
ReplyDeleteAnyway he was wrong about Okinawa as he was wrong comparing Germany (the mightiest nation in Europe at the time) and Japan( the mightiest nation in Asia) , two countries which had imperialistic inclinations that caused so much suffering in Europe and Asia, to the impoverished not yet fully formed Palestine is beyond absurdity it's...fleming!!!
Leave the idiot alone, accept defeat (you don't win an argument against a wall!) and move on saying to yourself what I did, never again!</span>
Its true, my friens and I do drink alcohol, but not nearly as much as we did in college. I know that just cements our status as infidel western scum. LOL
ReplyDeleteYea, you guys really burned me on the whole Okinawa thing. Great job. Oh yea....
You still dont get it, and wont get it. The lesson is not that Palestine could be some great economic power. Because assuredly it never will be. BUT, by accepting reality, and putting the effort into moving forward, it could, phoenix like, rise from the ashes of its ruins. But with your attitude there is no chance for victory unless it starts with the destruction of Israel. An impossible goal without the help of either atomic blasts or a giant invading horde from arabia. Which one do you expect?
But note the classic refernece. Its "lesson" should be clear to even the most thick headed.
tgia, there are two that can have your perspective. Your people have been UNSUCCESSFULLY waring with a much stronger force for 60 years and doing nothing but losing. And I!!!! am the brick wall who cant see??? Your people have experioenced nothing but setbacks and destruction through misguided policies that bring about more death and destruction, and I am the one who is blockaded from reality?
Dear god man, your logic is so convulated, so upside down, I can barely comprehend it.
The choice is clear: either destroy Israel yourselves or watch Palestine die. WE, the USA, are not going to "deliver" the death of Israel to you.
Third choice is to move on and make the best of it. But your egos cant accept defeat, can they? Arabs have never lost have they, because the battle is never over....
Some battles are utterly lost. For Palestine, Israel is one of them. I do not create facts, I just use common sense and observe what is reality. Again, it has nothing to do with UN resolutions or defiant battle cries. Its just the way things are.
There's no obligation to read the articles anand. It's just a bit silly to ask the following day if we are aware of a certain bit of news when we had already discussed it...with you!!!
ReplyDeleteIs it me or the look of the comments section changed one AGAIN??
ReplyDelete<span>Is it me or the look of the comments section changed once AGAIN??</span>
ReplyDeleteFleming, Israel AGREED to freeze all settlement activity and dismantle illegal outposts. Are you saying Israel does not have to honor its commitments to the U.S? Are American taxpayers simply supposed to keep the money and loan guarantees flowing no matter what Israel does? Do you think because Israel won, anything goes and they can continue to evict Palestinians and confiscate their land?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fmep.org/analysis/analysis/the-settlement-facts
<span style="">You expect too much than VAA Fleming</span>
ReplyDeleteYes I expect decency.
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ReplyDelete<span style="">The lesson is not that Palestine could be some great economic power. Because assuredly it never will be. BUT, by accepting reality, and putting the effort into moving forward, Fleming</span>
First No one mentioned great economic power except for anand.
More importantly : There are 2 choices 1- Exist 2- Perish .
It's not rocket science. Even you , should be able to understand this simple reality. When you say moving forward . Exactly move where ? Even though I know your answer !!!.
I dont say that there arent things that the state of Israel does, or individual Israelis do, that shouldnt be addressed. But of course. The US and Canada have disagreements quite frequently, and arrest citizens from the other.
ReplyDeleteBut you dont see Canada sending rockets into the US do you? Or the american army invading Canada? Same with Mexcio. There are ways states can disagree, vehemently, without unending turmoil and bile.
If you are hoping we are going to one day pull the financial rug out from Israel, so to speak, and that it would then collapse...well, no, that is never going to happen. I have said it before: The US is not going to abandon its ally. Period.
Israel is also not that fragile, economically speaking. You overestimate the importance of aid from the US to its economy. Two, for Israel to give itself over, militarily, there must be arab hordes/armies raging through its cities, or mushroom clouds over Tel Aviv. Which one do you forsee bringing about its demise?
We all make our choices VAA. If you decide there are only two possibilities, then that is your choice.
ReplyDeleteMoving forward mentally. When a great athlete suffers a serious injury, and can no longer compete, what are their choices? Change the mindset, or give up their soul. I always admire those who can do the former.
When you mentioned Indian casino's the Jack Abramoff scandal came to mind Fleming...Are you aware of his connections to your modern Israel...?
ReplyDelete<p>I agree the destruction or dismantling of Israel is not going to happen no matter how many martyrs are called forth. I also do not think it should happen. Israel exists! Whether or not the establishment of its existence was right or wrong is immaterial at this point. There are facts on the ground that cannot be changed without causing catastrophic tragedy for millions. Cold comfort I know, for the original Palestinians who lost their homes and land when they were driven out, but it is time for compromise on both sides. And sure, Israel won, but it makes a lie of their claim they want peace if they continue stealing more and more land and evicting more and more people, all for the benefit of a bunch of religious fanatic settlers who have no right to the land. That is what the U.S. should NOT support.
ReplyDelete<p>Both sides claim they want peace and both sides claim they want to negotiate. It is time to call their bluff. I agree, the literal right of return is a nonstarter. It is not going to happen except by force. It would be suicidal for the state of Israel. I do not support it. The only way I would change my opinion would be if I saw the Arabs, Kurds, and Turks evicting their people living on land that belonged to Assyrians so the Assyrians could have back their homeland.
If Israel goes back to its 1967 borders, dismantles all settlements or negotiates for a land swap, shares Jerusalem and resources, compensates those who lost their homes and land and does not interfere in the Palestinan state, then yes, it would be time for everyone to move on.