Some Western principles in assessing elections in developing countries:
1) When the favored candidates win, the elections are free and fair. And when they lose, elections are certainly unfree and stolen.
2) Violent protests against elections that produce winners favored by the west, are to be strictly condemned and protesters are to be called terrorists, hooligans and mobs (can you imagine if Lebanese opposition supporters were to engage in violent protests against the election results in Lebanon), while violent protests against enemies of the US when they win elections (like in Moldova) are to be admired (and the protesters in those cases are called "democracy activists".
3) It is not against free elections to have Western governments interfere in elections and in funding candidates through Western groups for the promotion of democracy.
4) Candidates (or even dictators) who serve Western interests are automatically labeled as "reform candidates" (even the Saudi tyrant is referred to as "reform-minded"), while candidates who oppose Western economic and political interests are to be labeled enemies of reform.
5) Candidates who are not strident in their language about Israel are always favored.
6) Western observers of elections are always on hand to declare an election unfair and rigged if the favored candidates lose.
7) The corruption of pro-US candidates (like the March 14 bunch) is preferred to the non-corruption of, say, Mugabe.
8) The democratic credentials of dictators immediately improve if they change their policies toward the US and if they express willingness to serve US economic and political interests.
9) Countries where dictators do a good job in serving US economic and political interests need not hold elections.
10) If favored candidates can't guarantee electoral victory (like the PA tool, Abu Mazen whose term has expired months ago), they don't need to hold elections and will be treated as if they won an election anyway.
11) It is just not logical to assume that people in developing countries can freely ever decide to make choices that are not consistent with political and economic interests of the US.
12) Elections that are held under American and Israeli occupations are free and fair if the preferred candidates win.
(The angry Arab)
"Very good but a Leftist primer on elections could also be made and would reveal its hypocrisies. Just take on #3 for example and hilarity would ensue."
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"Very good but a Leftist primer on elections could also be made and would reveal its hypocrisies. Just take on #3 for example and hilarity would ensue."
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7) The corruption of pro-US candidates (like the March 14 bunch) is preferred to the non-corruption of, say, Mugabe.
ReplyDeleteThis is hysterical! I hope he was trying to be funny. Mugabe may be personally austere but his regime? Just his wife alone is plowing through money like a bulldozer. She is infamous in Hong Kong.
All of that supposedly noble land re-appropriation is a joke. His cronies got the best farms and estates. Disgusting.
"Very good but a Leftist primer on elections could also be made and would reveal its hypocrisies. Just take on #3 for example and hilarity would ensue."
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The Western primer listing the hypocrisies of the West is for the most part spot on but really, I could also make a primer of the Left's hypocrisies with regard to elections, too. Hilarity would ensue if we got into #3, alone!
ReplyDeleteThat's okay, you can just delete that one. I rewrote it.
ReplyDeleteIf it were not so targic and true it would even be funnier
ReplyDeleteIf it were not so tragic and true it would even be funnier
ReplyDeleteDid you ban fleming?
ReplyDeleteDid you ban Jemmy Hope? My comments no longer appear.
ReplyDeleteMugabe must have been a typo.
ReplyDeleteThe Angry one is way to preoccupied on the West. He needs to focus more on the great emerging global powers (Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, India, Indonesia, China.)
TGIA, I think you misunderstood a comment of mine on a thread a few days ago.
I insisted that VZA was wrong to assert that Palestinians supported terrorists and hijackers who attacked civilians. This strikes me as Lieberman/settler/anti Palestinian rhetoric to discredit and demonize Palestinians.
There is a difference between attacking the IDF, which is an act of war, and attacking civilians--which is terrorism. Hamas, Fatah or the Palestinian security services fighting the IDF is an act of war; and many Palestinians support waging a war against Israel to persuade Israelis to give Palestinians their rights and what is owed to them.
At the same time, I believe most Palestinians deplore all terrorists who pretend to act in the Palestinian cause. I believe that most Palestinians think that these crazies (the people who attacked Munich in 1976 for example) dishonor Palestinians--who pride themselves on Palestinian values and justice. I also believe that most Palestinians would tear these terrorists apart if they got the chance.
I sent As'ad an email asking him about the Mugabe comment. Probably won't answer.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead, VZA, I am curious.
ReplyDeleteI don't think so, Jemmy
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ReplyDeleteThe street protests in Iran grow.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF16Ak02.html
ReplyDeleteThe meaning of the protests in Tehran.
Off topic: DID ANYBODY SEE THESE BOMBSHELLS?
ReplyDeleteGOOD GOD!!! IT IS ON.
De-Dollarization: Dismantling America’s Financial-Military Empire
The Yekaterinburg Turning Point
by Prof. Michael Hudson
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13969
The American Empire Is Bankrupt
By Chris Hedges
This week marks the end of the dollar’s reign as the world’s reserve currency. It marks the start of a terrible period of economic and political decline in the United States. And it signals the last gasp of the American imperium. That’s over. It is not coming back. And what is to come will be very, very painful.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090614_the_american_empire_is_bankrupt/
yeah, As'ad and I are familiar with some of you and your needs to demonize Mugabe in "deep dark Africa." It requires swallowing all colonial propaganda whole, among other workings you are clueless about
ReplyDeleteDid V just defend Mugabe? Mandela demanded that Mugabe step down. Desmond Tutu said that the international community should use violence to remove Mugabe.
ReplyDeleteMugabe drove over a quarter of his people to flee his country. Mugabe caused an economic depression that sharply reduced agricultural and other economic output.
V backed Mugabe? V, did you back Saddam too? Idi Amin? Pol Pot? Mao? Stalin? Hitler?
Andnd fuck you you little shit, you don't even know what you are talking about AGAIN. Go take a breather Gunga Din, asshole sniffing colonialist piece of trash.
ReplyDeleteAsk me if I give a damn about what Tutu says, he sold out his own people - do you ever hear him talking about the plight of his own people? Granted, he has said and done some great things outside of his country, but when it comes to his own people mums the the word, why?
First, why don't you idiots learn something about Mugabe and Zimbabwe -
http://uhurunews.com/video/play?resource_name=omali-yeshitela-speaks-on-zimbabwe-video
Second, why don't you learn what is going on in Tutu's country, and ask yourself the question about WHY we hear nothing about this -
http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=violence-in-south-africa
Because you know, I am tired of your ignorant people poping off about what you do not know - especially you you little fucker Anand. The rest of you know practically nothing about what you are talking about, especially on this subject. What does this reveal - that you know precious little about this wherever it crops up in the world. Which means you better start exercising you feeble little minds before you address me.
Anand fuck you you little shit, you don't even know what you are talking about AGAIN. Go take a breather Gunga Din, asshole sniffing colonialist piece of trash.
ReplyDeleteAsk me if I give a damn about what Tutu says, he sold out his own people - do you ever hear him talking about the plight of his own people? Granted, he has said and done some great things outside of his country, but when it comes to his own people mums the the word, why?
First, why don't you idiots learn something about Mugabe and Zimbabwe -
http://uhurunews.com/video/play?resource_name=omali-yeshitela-speaks-on-zimbabwe-video
Second, why don't you learn what is going on in Tutu's country, and ask yourself the question about WHY we hear nothing about this -
http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=violence-in-south-africa
Because you know, I am tired of you ignorant people popping off about what you do not know - especially you you little fucker Anand. The rest of you know practically nothing about what you are talking about, especially on this subject - you just a collective colonial dumping ground. What does this reveal - that you know precious little about this wherever it crops up in the world. Which means you better start exercising you feeble little minds before you address me.
v, South Africa suffers about 3,000 violent deaths a month. Many of us frequently tell kill ISF Bruno about it at Iraqi Mojo. Bruno is an Africaaner.
ReplyDeleteI hope the South African security forces succeed at defeating the South African resistance.
V, what is your plan to accelerate technological innovation?
Needless to say I think Omali Yeshitela knows a little bit more about Africa than some of you mental nerdowells in here. However, you do not have to read or listen to anything I post, you can keep drinking and feasting on the shit you call "knowledge" served up by your masters, and go to your graves not much more informed than you were at birth (some less informed)...lol
ReplyDeleteV has an ideological blindspot.
ReplyDeleteNo, I think it is the other way around Molly - but you keep thinking that if it makes you feel better rather than learning anything of consequence.
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I don't know why the above link misdirects, but here it is again for those who want to learn something besides the fact that their right hand has five fingers...LOL
Oh, and by the way, As'ad agrees with me, not you.
Lets try this again -
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What is my "ideology", V? And where in your article does it prove all of the human rights abuse charges levied against Mugabe?
ReplyDeleteOh, and for good measure, for a simple explanation of the above (or what I tried to simplify) -
ReplyDeleteNEOCOLONIALISM 101, EXAMPLE ZIMBABWE
http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-04_cy-2007_m-04_d-07_y-2007_o-0.html
Prove what?
ReplyDeleteI mean disprove all of the human rights abuses committed by Mugabe.
ReplyDeleteI have already gone over this on this site, go look up the archive, I am not going to go though it all over again. If that is not good enough for you, too bad
ReplyDeleteV, you say you are an academic but you don't know the difference between effect and affect and it's and its? OK.
ReplyDeleteReduction to your pedantic norm proves nothing Molly, excerpt your insufferable pettiness. By the way, most of the posts where this is hashed out were done by you (archive), showing your great grasp of human rights and the "real story" in Zimbabwe quoting yellow colonial "journalistic" pieces of rubbish. Drone on "expert." lol
ReplyDeleteNo, I just find that claim of to be an academic obviously false, since any academic would know those differences. Here is the Zimbabwe Congress of Trade Unions statement on their persecution: http://www.zctu.co.zw/newsflash_view.cfm?nfid=20
ReplyDeleteThe articles on human rights abuses by the Muagbe regime are laughably easy to find, there is no need for me to link to any.
V, you may want to read this by the Angry Arab
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I find anything you claim to be laughable Molly, you might fool some in here, but not me :) You care about human rights about as much as you do about a three legged dog on the other side of the plant...lol If you did, you would not present what you do in this forum, nor defend certain positions which are the height of falsehood. Give it a rest
ReplyDeleteWhat "yellow" journalists?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, all regime have corruption, what is your point Molly?
ReplyDeletePresent what? Defend what positions?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, all regimes have corruption, what is your point Molly? There is even corruption, for instance, in Chavez's government.
ReplyDelete"I insisted that VZA was wrong to assert that Palestinians supported terrorists and hijackers who attacked civilians. This strikes me as Lieberman/settler/anti Palestinian rhetoric to discredit and demonize Palestinians."
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, anand. What are you talking about?
Oh, and before you toot too loud Molly, you might ask Angry for a clarification. That is, to be a bit more specific, what he means by corruption and what is attributed to the regime by the nonsense you support and call proofs and valid information. Just a suggestion
ReplyDeleteOh, and by the way, As'ad agrees with me, not you.
So what? Is he infallible?
"...liberator-turned-dictator Robert Mugabe."
ReplyDelete"...the agricultural system has been destroyed by Robert Mugabe."
For just two
Does this sound like you agree with what As'ad said? From your own posts, like some of the other material you have posted here - pure nonsense and nothing but propaganda. I mean, the most recent one by that hack Lyn...lol Than again a lot of the posts you do are very good. However, I have to tell you Molly, sometimes you have a real problem posting those steeped in Zionist ideology, and colonial hubris plus propaganda. So, just move on
What an insulting, despicable thing to write, v. You should stop before you really dig yourself an inescapable hole. Who the hell are you to judge anyone? Once again, only YOUR positions are acceptable?
ReplyDeleteblah blah...why don't the two of you start another blog together...lol
ReplyDeleteNo, just has a little more learning and is well informed, is this some sort of game? lol
ReplyDeleteOh, I don't know - maybe Howden, who is nothing but a hit man for colonialism from the Independent (I mean the numbers are almost legion). Note how he speaks about no seeds or tractors to plow wheat - but, he fails to say that most of the land was stolen for the sake of cash crops under colonialism. Or that the colonial trade organizations will not send seed, or parts for the tractors, etc. But you know Molly, I said I was not going to go through this again, and I am not - so you can keep telling me how bad Mugabe and his regime is.
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I refuse to elborate about this again, because you and the people who agree with you do not want to learn shit - so stay ignorant, and as the empire wraps its fingers around your necks (you know, the one that needs "reforming") choke.
I really mean this As'ad, my hats off to you - you knew exactly what you were doing when you closed down the comments section of your blog. Outside of the trolls and Zionist scum, you freed yourself from dealing with this deadening ignorance that refuses to learn anything and i might add is endemic to the USA. Ok, you were right and I was wrong
ReplyDeleteVZA, forgive me if I misunderstood you. I thought you implied that most or many Palestinians condoned Arab terrorists who hijacked planes or attacked civilians. (For example the hijackings of the 1980s. Many of these hijackers targetted Jews.)
ReplyDeleteI apologize if I am mistaken.
V, you are naive.
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ReplyDeleteYou most certainly are mistaken. I was commenting on an article I had read that said the hijackers separated their hostages as Jews and Gentiles. The question of whether or not the majority of Palestinians supported the hijackers never even entered into the discussion from what I can recall.
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So, is someone going to tell me about the unions created by white money both internally and from the UK? I doubt it...lol
ReplyDeletewhat are you talking about? White people aren't nearly as important as v thinks.
ReplyDeleteThe world's economic centers are increasingly moving to Asia. Brazil is also rising.
I am sorry for the confusion. I argue with Israelis that Palestinians do not support hijackers or any terrorists who attack civilians.
ReplyDeleteTerrorists are wackos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocPTdtXEKD8
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